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Former good articleToronto was one of the Geography and places good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Current status: Delisted good article

Infobox montage

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Toronto
City of Toronto

I propose changing two of the images in the infobox montage as shown on the right. The Humber Bay Arch Bridge and Casa Loma are replaced with Old City Hall and Dundas Square. I believe that the last two are both more notable than the first two and are more appropriate to include in a collection of seven photographs of the city. Old City Hall is a very important landmark, being the city hall for over 60 years and a National Historic Site of Canada. Also, it is visibly a prominent part of city located in downtown, unlike Casa Loma. Yonge–Dundas Square is much more notable than the Humber Bay Arch Bridge. Tens of millions of people travel through, work at or visit Dundas Square every year and it is adjacent to the Toronto Eaton Centre, which is the busiest mall in the entire continent and is the most visited tourist attraction in Toronto. Meanwhile, the Humber Bay Arch Bridge is not nearly as important or notable. While it is a great work, it is relatively obscure; the Wikipedia article about it only receives a few dozen views a day. I believe that these changes are important to showcase important landmarks in the city, and I am proposing this because consensus is required to change them. If there are any higher-quality images, please suggest them. I was considering using this one because it looks so cool in the infobox but if you actually look at the subject of the photo...it's a little weird. Cyrobyte (talk) 06:38, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have some reservations about including Old City Hall in the montage itself, largely because it would result in 3/7 images being governmental/institutional landmarks, two of which are municipal govt. Prominence alone sholdn't be the deciding factor, as balancing of the types of landmarks we choose to portray also needs to be considered, so it isn't to heavy on a certain type.
That said, with regards to Casa Loma, it’s worth noting that it is also a National Historic Site and a culturally significant landmark in its own right. It has strong local recognition and historical value, which is likely why its Wiki article sees higher viewer traffic compared to most (if not all) historic Toronto landmark articles.
All in all though, going back to balance, I think we need to keep in mind that this article is about the entirety of the city of Toronto, not just downtown Toronto, and its montage should reflect that. The fact that Casa Loma isn’t "visibly a prominent part of city located in downtown" is, in my view, one of the stronger reasons for retaining it (on top of the traffic and landmark diversit arguments). The current montage is already heavily downtown-centric, and Casa Loma helps offset that by highlighting a landmark from outside the core (at the moment, 4/7 images are downtown, 3 of which are landmarks in that narrow strech of University-Yonge... if we include the Square & Old City Hall that would push that up to 6/7 images being downtown, 5/7 being landmarks exclusively enclosed within University-Yonge/Bloor-Dundas).
I do agree with the sentiment that a better image can be found than the Humber River Bridge image, though would argue that it should be replaced with another image from outside the downtown core for the stated reason above (that the montage should be balanced in capturing the whole topic/city, and not just a small part of it). Leventio (talk) 07:32, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If change is wanted, perhaps we can change the Humber Bay Bridge to a photo of the developed Queensway-Humber skyline (Category:The Queensway–Humber Bay) instead of making the infobox more downtown-centric. Quality images are important here, so we should chose wisely - personally not a fan of the overcast skies in the Yonge-Dundas photo. Maybe North York could also get some representation here, over Casa Loma? PascalHD (talk) 03:47, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Canadian National Exhibition
The Old City Hall is now just a courthouse, there is already a photo in the article showing it. What about the Canadian National Exhibition, that attracts thousands of visitors? Magnolia677 (talk) 11:44, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That would be good. Please wait for others to reply first. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:31, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How about using this photo of Weston, Toronto and the Humber River instead of the Humber Bay Arch Bridge. That still shows the Humber River and Etobicoke but is a more appropriate image. Cyrobyte (talk) 22:00, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with either suggestion (Queensway-Humber, Weston). My concern was primarily about the montage being downtown centric. Leventio (talk) 02:14, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It would be nice to keep the Humber Bay Arch Bridge so that there is a little bit of geographic representation. WildComet (talk) 03:55, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:37, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To preserve geographic diversity, I think that we should keep Casa Loma, replace the Humber Bay Arch Bridge with Weston and the Humber River and replace the Royal Ontario Museum with Yonge-Dundas Square and the Eaton Centre. That keeps the current balance of 4 images in Downtown, 1 in Midtown Toronto, 1 in Etobicoke on the Humber River and 1 in Scarborough. In fact, this makes the diversity better because the current photos show the Ontario Legislative Building and Royal Ontario Museum, which are in close proximity to each other on the same street and because Weston is further away from downtown than the Humber Bay. Cyrobyte (talk) 22:04, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. This is much better than the original proposal. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:54, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]