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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lists#RFC: Naming conventions for franchise character lists has an RfC

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lists#RFC: Naming conventions for franchise character lists has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. RanDom 404 (talk) 14:04, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

U.S airdates for NCIS:Sydney

Back before it ever aired in 2023 in Australia (and the U.S. initially during the strikes) there was some discussion whether U.S. air dates/ratings should be included for NCIS Sydney as an Australian production and there was objection in part it seems because there was a Crystal Ball issue about whether its broadcast would be notable in the U.S. In mean time, it is now airing regularly on CBS primetime in the U.S. more or less the same day as in Australia and being promoted alongside all the other U.S. primetime shows as part of its regular CBS schedule in winter and fall 2025.. and there is documentation of ratings being comparable to all the other CBS primetime shows, and the CBS executive has cited its ratings success as a reason for it to continue airing on the CBS pirmetime schedule even though that wasn't initially planned. For the upcoming third season it is airing the same datein Australia and the U.S. as announced today, with the U.S. premiere announced first back in July. Since it bit's being treated as a regular CBS primetime show and I also think it's confusing for U.S. viewers not to include them, I added the U.S. airdates several months ago without objection and subsequent edits by others, but it is now being suggested that a new formal consensus is necessary. So what are the thoughts about this? newsjunkie (talk) 16:03, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

The series is an Australian-produced programme, and should detail Australian release and viewers. Americans often think that because something is popular for them, it should always give fine detail about the American part of it; unfortunately, we do not cater solely for "confused U.S. viewers". Any details about the non-Australian broadcast should be detailed in a Broadcast section per MOS:TVRELEASE. I would not detail any American dates or viewers outside of this section. -- Alex_21 _TALK 21:26, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Isn't supposed to be universal to appeal to the widest English-speaking audience possible? If the dates are more or less the same especially for Seasons 2 and 3, how does listing both detract from anything as long as it's made clear that it's originating from Australia? Under the ratings section, which was partially cited in the earlier discussion, it notes "Ratings should only be included from the program's country of origin or where it debuts, unless viewership is particularly notable in another territory and can be reliably sourced. Similarly, ratings should only be included for the first run of a program unless reliable sources show that the ratings for a subsequent release are particularly noteworthy." Other than the secondary linear airing of the first season in Australia, there's no viewership data for the Paramount Plus Australia airing, in the the U.S. it was one of the top linear shows (during the Hollywood strikes.) Because of the primetime linear airing on CBS, that also gives it more media coverage in the U.S., possibly even more than in Australia itself, which also makes the U.S. airing more notable.

One could do a separate table for the U.S.airings under the other section, but that seems to just make it unnecessarily long since the dates are mostly the same now. newsjunkie (talk) 22:18, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

If the dates are mostly the same, then we can note that in prose. "In the United States, episodes of the third season aired on the same day as their initial release in Australia." The fact remains that it is an Australian series that happens to also air in America, and there is and has always been a constant need to force American ratings and airings into non-American series articles. This is not the American Wikipedia. If the ratings from the US are indeed notable, then include them in the correct ratings template using {{Television episode ratings}}. -- Alex_21 _TALK 22:50, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

There is no separate ratings table in this article, the table lists Paramount Plus airings, and then the ratings for the linear Australia airing in the same table (only for the first season so far). That's why it would be easiest to just include the U.S. ratings together with the U.S. air dates in the same table. This is a particularly unusual case in that it is airing in U.S. primetime on linear and basically on the same or within a couple of days. It would be different if it were maybe released just on streaming or like a couple of months later or something. It's neither the Australian nor the American Wikipedia, but is the English-speaking one, and there is reliable sourcing indicating notability, and ratings/air dates are included for every other CBS primetime show on their respective pages. newsjunkie (talk) 23:18, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

I know there isn't, I'm suggesting you add one instead. As the series is an Australian series, we note Australian release details in the episode tables, and any other notable broadcasts, such as the American release details, in the relevant sections, per our MOS.

Personally, I would recommend removing the last three columns in the episode tables, as 1) the second-release information is not notable, 2) those are not production codes, and 3) there are no Australian ratings after Season 1. The existing ratings can be moved to {{Australian television episode ratings}} and the U.S. ratings can be added in via {{Television episode ratings}}, both under a "Ratings" header. Is there a reason as to why this would not work? -- Alex_21 _TALK 23:23, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

This is what I'm suggesting, with obviously the correct data added and expanded upon. Feel free to revert any part of it. -- Alex_21 _TALK 23:42, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Isn't supposed to be universal to appeal to the widest English-speaking audience possible, no. "Universal" would mean having release information for every single country in the world. Which we don't do. Not saying that information isn't important or relevant to someone, but Wikipedia isn't setup for database kind of information. Gonnym (talk) 08:20, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

With English-speaking I was referring to English-speaking countries, so not every country in the world, and in this case a particularly prominent airing on a major U.S. broadcaster. Similar to the way the guidelines highlight "broadcasts in primarily English-speaking nations such as the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand." So not preferring one of those countries over the other, but treating them equally if the sources suggest it. newsjunkie (talk) 14:30, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

It's not the original country of broadcast, so its information is pretty trivial. Gonnym (talk) 14:47, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Doesn't documented viewership and news source reporting play into that in terms of determining whether it's notable or trivial? There's no documented viewership data for the original release on streaming in Australia, but there is a lot for the U.S. linear release where it was one of the most watched shows (during the strike) and it's possible it has even got more media coverage than in Australia. It's also unusual for *any* foreign produced show to air on that kind of major network especially during the regular season. It's probably the first Australian show to air in that kind of timeslot. When a British show, Merlin, aired on NBC in the summer some years ago, that was the first British show to air on that kind of network in about 30 years. This isn't just about being available on a streaming service or rerunning on a cable channel several months later, but being treated the same way as other new American shows is still very unusual. newsjunkie (talk) 14:56, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Merlin (2008 TV series) does not mention US air dates. Unless what you are asking for is similar to what is at Merlin_(2008_TV_series)#Broadcast where you have a small paragraph? That's fine in my opinion, if it is indeed notworthy. But not anywhere else, and do not added additional rating tables. Gonnym (talk) 15:02, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Well, it mentions the significance in the broadcast section, and it first aired much longer ago when people maybe weren't yet keeping keeping all shows as consistently up-to-date. (And it was during the summer, so not quite as prominent as during the fall/spring season). But for example Malory Towers (TV series) is basically a British produced show, but it is a co-production and has now been sometimes airing in the U.S. first, so both dates are shown. And it's certainly possible for there to be cases based on news sources for an airing to be *more* notable outside its original broadcast country, especially when you have a linear airing on a major broadcasting network with a large audience versus a streaming service with an unknown user base/no viewership data. And obviously WP:OtherStuffExists so just because the information is not in that page so far, doesn't mean it couldn't be notable there as well. newsjunkie (talk) 15:11, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Also apparently it did include U.S. ratings originally and they were in there until 2012, when a table with both the UK and U.S. ratings was removed. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Merlin_(2008_TV_series)&oldid=529154857 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Merlin_(2008_TV_series)&diff=prev&oldid=529275907 The average U.K. ratings were then restored at some later point. It even had weekly UK and U.S. ratings originally, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Merlin_(2008_TV_series)&oldid=314984881 but in both cases it seems both were originally removed together for other reasons, not to do with a country of origin argument. newsjunkie (talk) 15:25, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

At this point, this same discussion is being held in two locations at the same time, and no other editor has agreed to the specific details suggested. The series remains Australian, and includes Australian details. -- Alex_21 _TALK 23:00, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

A Princess, an Elf, and a Demon Walk Into a Bar - notability?

Does "A Princess, an Elf, and a Demon Walk Into a Bar" meet our notability standards? -- Alex_21 _TALK 21:23, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

The new Alien TV series' position in canon

Good evening! Can anyone help me with this discussion? The showrunner, in an interview, almost explicitly stated that they placed the show in an alternate timeline to avoid limiting themselves to artistic means for plot development and universe building. But first anonymous users, and then one of the project's users, systematically removed this from the article, denying that since the source doesn't directly quote the showrunner verbatim, the source is the showrunner's interpretation and cannot be considered authoritative. However, in an interview with the resource, the showrunner explicitly states that the show "is its own thing" and that he voluntarily ignores certain canonical films. In a thread created on the discussion page, a user continued to assert that until the showrunner explicitly states this, we can't use the source and that any other text is an interpretation. The user ignored my request to cite sources where the showrunner stated that the films are within the universe of the original films as a resolution to the situation. So, can anyone help resolve this? I don't want to bring this up due to the lack of evidence, but reading the discussion, I have a subjective feeling that there is some kind of conflict of interest here. Solaire the knight (talk) 16:44, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

Production companies for NCIS Sydney

This is related to the discussion above but is focused on the production company listing in the infobox. Until this week it listed Endemol Shine Australia Paramount Plus and CBS Studios as production companies. It has now been suggested that CBS Studios is a distributor of the series and that only Endemol Shine should be listed as a production company. On the official Paramount press site it says "PRODUCED BY: NCIS: SYDNEY is produced for CBS Studios and Paramount Australia by Endemol Shine Australia and distributed outside Australia by Paramount Global Content Distribution." There is no explicit reference anywhere to CBS Studios being a distributor, only Paramount Global Content Distribution. The opening titles of the show say "Presented by Paramount Plus and CBS Studios." There are explicit references from Australian sources calling CBS Studios a producer. The Australian government film support program stated that "Produced by CBS Studios in association with Endemol Shine Australia, NCIS: SYDNEY marks the first iteration of the hit NCIS series based outside of the United States." Screenhub Australia stated "Two special episodes of NCIS: Sydney, produced by Endemol Shine Australia, CBS Studios, Paramount Australia, and Screen Territory, are set to film in Darwin." Deadline has called it a "A local international co-production for CBS Studios" and CBS Studios was the main entity cited in the very first press release about the project. One of the main writers has also described being asked by Endemol Shine to make a pitch to CBS Studios: "I pitched a very ambitious vision of the show to the folks at Paramount+ AU and CBS Studios, and they told me to swing for the fences. So that’s what we did."

There are no current references on Google to anything at all being "distributed by CBS Studios." There was previously an entity called "CBS Studios International" until 2019, but that is what is now known as Paramount Global Content Distribution, and is not the same thing as CBS Studies.

This could have implications for what is identified as the country of origin, but for now I would really just like to clarify whether CBS Studios can be accurately referred to as a production company for this series. newsjunkie (talk) 16:23, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Dexter: Resurrection#Dexter: Resurrection season 1

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Dexter: Resurrection#Dexter: Resurrection season 1. Editors are need to weigh in on this discussion. Should the series be split into a season article when it is just copied and pasted from the parent article?? — YoungForever^(talk) 13:18, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:CTV 2#Requested move 5 September 2025

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Good article reassessment for Phineas Flynn

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Good article reassessment for Iftah Ya Simsim

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Splitting off Suits character articles

I've suggested that List of Suits characters be split. Please post any comments on the talk page. SnowyRiver28 (talk) 11:52, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Bart vs. Australia

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Requested move at Talk:Episode 7921#Requested move 11 September 2025

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Talk:NCIS: Sydney has an RfC

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Proposed deletion of Barail Bhoireannach

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Reba (TV series)

I am surprised that the article on Reba (TV series) lacks any information about the show's critical reception. Would anyone be willing to take this on? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 03:26, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

Lists of U.S. network affiliates by state

Do we need these? The table at the corresponding lists with the "(table)" disambiguator are sortable, and can easily be sorted by state. The separate "by state" lists seem redundant in effort and wholly unnecessary. I believe they're a relic from before the main lists became sortable tables, but we can just merge them now and lose zero function or information. Plus then we can also get rid of the silly and likely guideline non-compliant "(table)" disambiguators. Thoughts? oknazevad (talk) 15:52, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

I appreciate that this has been brought up. After doing much of the paring down of these tables and removing most excessive details and footnotes, there's not really any reason for the lists to exist (I would even think the "affiliated since" column on these tables is largely unnecessary and have thought of junking them across-the-board). Support consolidating these pages and removing the disambigs. Nathan Obral • he/him/🦝 • t • c • 16:47, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

At a quick glance, I would support the relevant series of merges/redirects/deletions (e.g., List of Fox Broadcasting Company affiliates (table) moved to List of Fox Broadcasting Company affiliates and List of Fox Broadcasting Company affiliates (by U.S. state) either redirected there or deleted). RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:18, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

I'd support this. The tables have more features, and all of the content is covered in them now. The only thing that isn't is the international Fox channels list, and that is the point of Fox (channel), a disambiguation page, and more appropriate navigation structures. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 04:33, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

FLRCs for Degrassi: The Next Generation seasons

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SpongeBob SquarePants

Hello. There's an ongoing discussion regarding the criticism section of the SpongeBob SquarePants article, which can be found at Talk:SpongeBob SquarePants#Criticism section. Input from project members would be appreciated. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:07, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Oobi (TV series)#Requested move 8 October 2025

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Talk:Johnathon_Schaech#WP:LEAD

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