Talk:Commonwealth of Independent States

Bump on updating map

A new updated map including the disputed areas Russia has annexed would be nice.

I personally don’t know how to make one, so that’s why I’m requesting a new one. Kalebop1 (talk) 03:35, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

I also support this. Preferably also the area that Armenia claims inside Azerbaijan as well. --66.234.78.234 (talk) 09:28, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Armenia does not claim territory inside Azerbaijan. As for Russia, that is a hot war, and territory held is likely to change. CMD (talk) 09:31, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

2f53@Kalebop1@Chipmunkdavis 192.124.197.109 (talk) 14:31, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

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@Chipmunkdavis 192.124.197.109 (talk) 14:31, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Member states of the Commonwealth of Independent States into Commonwealth of Independent States

To avoid content duplication – Member states of the Commonwealth of Independent States contains no substantial content that's not already present in this article. — kashmīrī ^TALK 21:21, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Merge. It’s kind of a nice standalone summary, but pretty much entirely a content fork per guidelines.  —Michael Z. 15:44, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Merge. Was created by a banned user anyway, and does not have any content that is really different from this page.132.231.51.111 (talk) 17:17, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Merge It's got a lot of content but I agree, if it was standalone as a list page maybe it could stand on it's own but it's extremely redundant currently. Marleeashton (talk) 04:51, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done — kashmīrī ^TALK 06:49, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Serious issues with the map

To describe areas like occupied Crimea, Eastern Ukraine, South Ossetia and Abkhazia as "disputed" seems to me to be playing into Kremlin propaganda. Crimea and the Donbas are internationally recognised parts of sovereign Ukraine, while all but a handful of states recognise that South Ossetia and Abkhazia are part of Georgia. Calling them disputed suggests a legitimacy to Russia's claims that is contrary to international law and calls Wikipedia into disrepute. 105.160.21.127 (talk) 10:23, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Besides typical anti-Russian grumbling, do you have any actual suggestions to make? Dimadick (talk) 15:14, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Also wondering why Mongolia is green on the map but not mentioned in the article… 51.7.121.162 (talk) 19:25, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

The actual name of the file on Commons used the WP:POV word 'disputed', this has been changed in accordance with WP:NPOV. Here in the article Russia's illegal occupation of parts of Ukraine seems to be treated well enough. The only thing that is missing is an entry for the map's legend to indicate "Occupied by member state". I have added that. Thanks for pointing to this problem. Lklundin (talk) 12:16, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

• Yes, there are issues with the map because Turkmenistan and Ukraine are part of the CIS. This needs to be corrected in the text as well. _ruASG⁺¹  14:56, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

  Ukraine no longer participates in the CIS and never even was a full member and Turkmenistan is a Associate state Which is shown on the map PharaohCrab (talk) 16:08, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

  No, that's not true. This article should be corrected in accordance with reliable sources. Incorrect information should be removed from the article. Unreliable information violates Wikipedia's rules and damages Wikipedia's reputation. I am ready to cooperate to correct this and improve the article. That's only part of the story: Ukraine–Commonwealth_of_Independent_States_relations#The_status_of_Ukraine_in_the_CIS _ruASG⁺¹  03:14, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

  Turkmenistan is an Associate state making it still part of the CIS, just not a member so it makes sense that it would be included on that map and website. as for Ukraine, it is not de facto part of the CIS Which is why I said it doesn't participate, your sources only prove that Ukraine is still de jure part of the CIS, given that I do think map and article should be updated to reflect that by including Ukraine but not the same shade of green as the full members. sorry for the late reply I was IP blocked PharaohCrab (talk) 16:54, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

  The situation is much more confusing. The Belovezh Agreement uses both the terms "member" and "participant" as synonyms without distinction and the Belovezh Agreement remains in force in 2025 for the same 11 countries (only Georgia withdrew). This is confirmed by data from the depositary, the official website and statements by officials. In 2005, the Council of Heads of State accepted Turkmenistan's statement on neutral status and instructed that a new agreement on associate membership be prepared. The idea was that Turkmenistan would withdraw from the Belovezh Agreement and sign an associate membership agreement, but no new agreement was signed and Turkmenistan's status remained unchanged. Sergey Lebedev said in 2024: "I am pleased to have the opportunity to tell you about this, about Turkmenistan's role in the CIS, about its participation in integration projects. Because I see that Turkmenistan's role is often downplayed in the media. There are even some incompetent authors who periodically claim that Turkmenistan is not a member of the Commonwealth and does not participate in its affairs. This is not true. And I would like to disprove these inaccurate statements and inaccurate information. ... But there is one feature. In 2005, all CIS states recognised Turkmenistan's associate membership." [1] Article 8 of the Charter provides that status shall be determined by "the conditions specified in the associate membership agreement". The problem is that Turkmenistan never signed such associate membership agreement and never withdrew from the Belovezh Agreement. _ruASG⁺¹  22:30, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  ok that's a good point and you clearly know way more about this subject then I do. PharaohCrab (talk) 23:10, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

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  The screenshot shows Ukraine as a part of the CIS in 2019.
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  According to the official website of the Executive Committee, the Commonwealth of Independent States consists of 11 countries, namely Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Ukraine as of 2024. The screenshot shows the profile of Ukraine as a participant state and part of the CIS in 2024. On 19 February 2024, Secretary General Sergey Lebedev once again confirmed that Ukraine remains a de jure part of the CIS.