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It has been proposed in this section that First Luv (song) be renamed and moved to First LuvFirst Luv.

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First Luv (song) → First LuvFirst Luv – I check the page history and it seems the author intended to change the title to "First Time" not "First Luv", since the latter is not to close to "Firs Love" by Rita Iringan. ROY is WAR Talk! 15:49, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This originated as an RfD discussion: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 September 30#First Luv; I recommended proceeding to RM. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 16:54, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support move. First Luv is currently a redirect to First Time (TV series). While looking into the original question for RFD, I found some evidence online that there was at one time a show called First Luv in development with the same stars who would eventually lead First Time. There is currently no subject at the base name First Luv. The song should be moved there as the primary topic. There is no evidence that First Time (TV series) is the primary topic for First Luv, which may have been a former name for the project or a related project, nor is it reasonable to assume it would be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myceteae (talk • contribs) 17:03, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The history will need to be moved to First Luv (TV series). Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:35, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Significa liberdade: I have closed the RFD as this is a more appropriate venue. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:40, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, appears to be unambiguous. 162 etc. (talk) 01:12, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Songs has been notified of this discussion. ROY is WAR Talk! 01:58, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per arguments above. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:24, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

First Luv Language

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This Anonymous Address twice editing the language of the song "First Luv". They edited to "Tagalog" → "Filipino". As they said: the language is filipino which tagalog is part of and I also added a source that this uses filipino language.. But, the sources such as Billboard Philippines, Bandwagon Asia and Philippine Daily Inquirer and since this is Philippine English, i think it is suitable here per Wikipedia:Manual of Style § National varieties of English. Potential to add to FAQ. Mention AstrooKai, Bloomagiliw who also edited as "Tagalog", ArinAstrid, and Borgenland for their thoughts. ROY is WAR Talk! 08:31, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add that Rappler said: BINI drops new Filipino single ‘First Luv’ on their title. ROY is WAR Talk! 10:47, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That anonymous editor is misinformed (as many Filipinos are); it's the other way around. Even the Wikipedia page for the "Filipino language" acknowledges that its very base is Tagalog, meaning Filipino is a part of Tagalog, if anything.

Both Filipino and Tagalog are mutually intelligible as well. In pretty much every Bini song article, I've tried to put Tagalog as the language but other people edit it into Filipino, and then the aforementioned people also add categories pertaining to Tagalog... because they are the same language. And people use both terms to refer to the same thing. Filipino is just a standardized variety in theory, and even still, in practice it's used to refer to non-standardized Tagalog as well.

I would personally use Tagalog as most sources use the word + it's more accurate, to be honest. But if you look at SB19 song articles, most of them use "Tagalog," and they have no trouble getting GA and FA status. In all honesty, I would personally use Tagalog instead of Filipino in most Bini song articles, if people didn't keep changing it to Filipino.

Just clarifying that I'm not mad in any way, this is just me explaining my stance on language terminology so you and the other editors can understand. Bloomagiliw (talk) 11:21, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think need to add {{FAQ}}? And also, I think it is need to consider that the article is in Philippine English. ROY is WAR Talk! 11:23, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

IMO, it would be better to put a hidden note e.g. the one I put at the beginning of Ji-young Yoo's page (regarding her birth date) or the one about Colet's name at the start of her page.

Not sure what you mean by the reminder that the article is in Philippine English, but "Tagalog" is a word found in both Philippine and international forms of English. Bloomagiliw (talk) 11:27, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

By 'base', I'm pretty sure it means that the Filipino languages uses Tagalog words as starting point of the language. Filipino language is basically Tagalog + words from other languages. All Tagalog words are considered Filipino but not all Filipino words are considered Tagalog.

I would prefer putting Filipino as the language, though, to make it uniform with the others. Babyronii (talk) 15:18, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just realized saying "all" is kind of a stretch since Filipino doesn't consider some words from Tagalog dialects. Babyronii (talk) 16:14, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It was said by the sources, so we should follow that. ROY is WAR Talk! 21:32, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you base it on the article created by ABS-CBN Corporate Communications itself. They actually refer to "First Luv" as a Filipino single. Babyronii (talk) 23:50, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ABS-CBN is a primary source. Although, ABS-CBN is reliable source but we need to check secondary source and not relying always to ABS-CBN. ROY is WAR Talk! 01:36, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ABS-CBN has already referred to it as a "Filipino" single, which is also supported by the Rappler article you cited above, which serves as a secondary source. Those are already dead giveaways that the song's language should be listed as Filipino.

I don't understand why this thread is still going back and forth over whether it's Filipino or Tagalog when the sources seem clear on this. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:13, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ABS-CBN also referred to it as a Tagalog single: https://www.abs-cbn.com/entertainment/showbiz/music/2025/10/3/bini-drops-tagalog-single-luv-u-ahead-of-philippine-arena-concert-1157

Most other secondary sources, including the Philippine Daily Inquirer, referred to it as a Tagalog single. Bloomagiliw (talk) 09:16, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, it's not that big of a deal whether it’s listed as Tagalog or Filipino, since news outlets tend to use the two terms interchangeably depending on their editorial style. However, for consistency with other song articles, it would make more sense to list it as "Filipino".

It's not like Filipino and Tagalog differs significantly. Filipino is just the standardized and official form of Tagalog that incorporates some loanwords from other Philippine languages. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:26, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The "Filipino is Tagalog + other Philippine languages" thing is purely theoretical. In practice, it's still mutually intelligible with Tagalog and is basically just standardized Tagalog. Bloomagiliw (talk) 08:12, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Royiswariii, could you please clarify your initial message? You mentioned that the IP editor changed the song's language from "Tagalog" to "Filipino", implying that the edit was incorrect and that it should remain Tagalog. However, you also cited the MOS guideline on national varieties of English, which I'm not sure how it is relevant in this context.

Additionally, you referenced the Rappler article that actually supports the IP's change to "Filipino", which seems to contradict your initial point. Could you clarify which one you believe should be listed as the language in the article, Filipino or Tagalog? AstrooKai (Talk) 09:07, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AstrooKai, The IP editor stated in their first edit that they replaced "Tagalog with "Filipino" for "international listeners". In their second edit, they reverted it and explained that "the language is Filipino, which Tagalog is part of", adding a source claiming the song uses the Filipino language. However, sources such as Bandwagon Asia, Envi Media, Billboard Philippines and Philippine Daily Inquirer describe First Luv as containing "Tagalog tracks" or "Tagalog song", which supports verifiability. Most secondary sources refer to the song as Tagalog, with Rappler being the only one using different term as "Filipino song". The Philippine English based on Manual of Style § National varieties of English, but based on sources, "Tagalog" appears to be majority term for First Luv. ROY is WAR Talk! 09:26, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really see how the MOS guideline on national varieties of English is relevant here. The fact that the article is written in Philippine English doesn't affect the language designation in this case.

Regarding the sources, as mentioned earlier, news outlets tend to use "Filipino" and "Tagalog" interchangeably to refer to the same thing. ABS-CBN's own press release even refers to it as "Filipino" but later describes it as "Tagalog" in their news article. It's really not that significant of a distinction overall.

As such, I suggest to just list it as "Filipino" for consistency with other song articles here. It's not like Filipino is hugely different from Tagalog. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:34, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Filipino and Tagalog are pretty much the same thing, but I guess this is where I personally disagree with you re: what to do. While you advocate for changing the language to "Filipino" on all Bini song articles, I would honestly just change all of them to Tagalog. For example, it's listed as "Tagalog" on SB19 and Alamat song articles, and most of the song articles for both groups have GA status or higher.

It's also more precise. It looks a little ridiculous for the article body to keep mentioning Tagalog (e.g. mentioning that "pantropiko" means "tropical" in Tagalog) and using Tagalog-related article categories but insisting on calling the language "Filipino." IMO, we can change the language to Tagalog on all relevant articles. That is my stance, personally. Bloomagiliw (talk) 09:39, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I really have no strong stance in this issue, I just dropped some of my cents since I was mentioned here. If that's how you want to proceed, then feel free to do so. It's just a bit amusing that this discussion has gotten this long over whether the song's language should be listed as "Filipino" or "Tagalog". AstrooKai (Talk) 10:17, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. @Royiswariii, just letting you know that I'll also be changing the language to "Tagalog" on other Bini song articles for the reasons stated above. Bloomagiliw (talk) 10:22, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is it not okay to put both Filipino and Tagalog? I mean, they're considered different languages but similar at the same time anyway. Babyronii (talk) 16:28, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They're the same language. Please check the article for the "Filipino language". Even the KWF (Commission of the Filipino Language) considers them the same language. They are mutually intelligible and the whole "Filipino is based on Tagalog, but has added other languages and has diverged enough to be considered a different language" nonsense is purely theoretical. Bloomagiliw (talk) 16:38, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This exchange actually made me realize stuff. It's either we use "Filipino" to make it formal and follow the government or use "Tagalog" which is more used by the general audience. GA often refers to songs as Tagalog song (language) or Filipino song (nationality).

I mean, the referenced article did mention that the language was originally called Tagalog. It was then later changed to Pilipino then Filipino. It was then finalized as Filipino in the 1987 Constitution. Babyronii (talk) 17:58, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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... that "First Luv" is Bini's first Tagalog song following English releases?

Source: ABS-CBN, Envi Media

ALT1: ... that Bini released "First Luv" their first song after a year of English tracks? Source: Bandwagon Asia, Philippine Daily Inquirer
ALT2: ... that Bini's "First Luv" music video was inspired by rococo art?
Source: &Asian
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Vakul

Created by Royiswariii (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

ROY is WAR Talk! 11:05, 3 October 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Music Video Storyline

The music video for BINI's "First Luv" begins in a grand, bright art gallery, highlighting a painting of 8 modern-day Cupids, dressed in pastel-pink, rococo-inspired outfits, which acts as a portal to Cupids HQ.

In a flashback to Cupids HQ, trainees Gwen, Sheena, Colet, and Maloi are given "Trainee" badges by their Cupid trainers—Stacey, Mikha, Jhoanna, and Aiah, respectively. In order to earn their Cupid wings badges, the trainees are tasked with their Cupid Mission: to "Seek Love in every Form." The "Love List" shows this mission involves four types of love: self-love, familial love, romantic love, and friendship. They seek these individuals, who need a gentle nudge to their "First Luv," at the art gallery. The trainees then undergo target-shooting exercises with use of bows and arrows to practice. Ready for the mission, they all switch to their pastel-pink, rococo-inspired outfits equipped with bows and arrows.

At the art gallery, they carry out their mission by shooting specialized arrows that awaken these different types of love. A queer person, portrayed by Esnyr Ranollo, is struck by the arrow of self-love which inspires them to embrace confidence and happiness, symbolically finding self-love and acceptance. A man is struck by the arrow of familial love prompting him to reconcile with his wife and their baby, restoring family harmony and highlighting the love within a family. Two females, portrayed by Filipino singer Klarisse De Guzman, and her real-life partner, Trina Rey, are struck by the arrow of romantic love giving them the courage to make a move, beautifully depicting a sweet moment of sapphic romance. A group of young men, portrayed by Star Magic Freshies Lance Lucido, Miguel Vergara, Marc Santiago, and Andrez Del Rosario, are struck by the arrow of friendship leading them to form platonic bonds and enjoy each other's company, emphasizing the importance of strong, supportive friendships.

Back at the Cupids HQ, following the success of their mission, the Cupid trainers present the trainees with their Cupid wings badges and congratulate them—finally becoming full-fledged Cupids.

In a post-credits scene, a Cupid is seen writing "F.L.A.M.E.S." on a scroll with the other Cupids cheering. Babyronii (talk) 15:56, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Synopsis is applicable on Films, Television only. See MOS:PLOT, MOS:FILMPLOT. ROY is WAR Talk! 00:11, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of songs here includes it so I thought it's fine. Babyronii (talk) 01:47, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Most song articles here usually include only relatively short descriptions of the music video, focusing on aspects such as its production or other relevant details when appropriate. Plot summaries can also be added, but only if they are suitable and kept concise, not overly detailed, as your current version may give undue weight to that section (see WP:UNDUE). Additionally, your text may be seen as non-neutral (see WP:NPOV) and may come across as WP:FANCRUFT.

I recommend checking out those linked guidelines to help you understand how to write in line with those guidelines. Hope this helps you as you continue learning how to edit here. Best regards, AstrooKai (Talk) 12:25, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]