Talk:Hamza ibn Ali

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Far from a religious discussion regarding the Cosmology section

@Obiwankenobi hellothere

Hello, I am opening an issue on this talk page to try and reach a decision in regards to the phrase removed by User:Obiwankenobi hellothere: "In a sharp break with both Sunni and Shi'a doctrine, Hamza considered Muhammad as the incarnation of the Devil, whereas the incarnation of the Universal Intellect at the time was Salman the Persian. All four Rashidun caliphs, including Ali, are likewise ranked among the adversaries.[1]"

Please explain why the source used here is not reliable and this phrase should be removed. Additionally, please do not continue trying to convert me to Islam during this discussion.

Abu-Izeddin, Nejla (1993) [1984]. The Druzes: A New Study of Their History, Faith, and Society (Second ed.). Leiden, New York, Köln: Brill. ISBN 90-04-09705-8. (Arachnid's userpage | what did I do now) 18:19, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What I’ve removed is an Islamophobic and Druze idea that goes against the Quran and EOW, the Druze Holy Books. The source appears to be written by a Druze, or at least a child of Druzes; let me remind you only extremely religious Druze have access to religious texts; this lady was not one of them. Also, nowhere in this book source you’ve provided is what I’ve removed stated, and you have provided no proof of that.

I’ve tried to be kind to you, but you know nothing of faiths and do not respect them at all, please stick to the atheistic community & Wikipedia articles and let me be. Go ahead and report me for harassment or something, but I believe in free speech.

Also: I’m not even a Muslim, it seems you get triggered deep down when people mention God because it disputes your ideology, which is a shame. It’s just ego, and I’ve seen it before, not the point. Obiwankenobi hellothere (talk) 19:07, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS, WP:RS, WP:EDITWARRING, WP:BATTLEGROUND. HistoryofIran (talk) 20:12, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

not bothered to add a picture or figure out how to but imagine this in meme font.

GET OUT- Obiwankenobi hellothere (talk) 20:55, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yall are like discord mods grow up Obiwankenobi hellothere (talk) 20:55, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please try to remain civil during this discussion and address the points they have made. (Arachnid's userpage | what did I do now) 21:16, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

'were humans not h̶o̶r̶s̶e̶s̶ robots'

also you being pa Obiwankenobi hellothere (talk) 21:34, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

passive aggressive is just as uncivilised you just think youre hiding it i guess Obiwankenobi hellothere (talk) 21:35, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

where is logic in the big 25. idk maybe in the spoiled west's ass or smth Obiwankenobi hellothere (talk) 21:36, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]