Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive305
Nableezy
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Nableezy[edit]
Turns out I made a mistake starting this. I didn't fully understand what 1RR means. Thanks for explaining, hope I will not forget it again. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 22:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Nableezy[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Nableezy[edit]I have made one revert. Triggerhippie4 has made one revert. One of us has discussed their edit on the talk page. I leave as an exercise to the reader to find out which one of us that is. nableezy - 20:02, 15 May 2022 (UTC) Statement by Mhawk10[edit]The one revert rule allows for no more than one revert to be made to an article within 24 hours. The above diffs appear to show one revert, and my scrolling through the page history only shows one revert. I don’t see a bright-line 1RR issue. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 19:59, 15 May 2022 (UTC) Statement by Selfstudier[edit]Apparently a frivolous (or else pointy) filing. Selfstudier (talk) 21:15, 15 May 2022 (UTC) Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning Nableezy[edit]
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Director of Editing and New Content
[edit]| Director of Editing and New Content blocked indef (with TPA revoked) as a normal admin action. El_C 19:19, 23 May 2022 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Director of Editing and New Content[edit]
New editor (with less that 500 edits) edit-wars to say that hospital in the Israeli-occupied areas is "in Israel". They removes alert I gave them, when I gave them a "last warning", they removed that, too. They obviously are not listening to me, perhaps they will listen to admins? Huldra (talk) 21:23, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Director of Editing and New Content[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Director of Editing and New Content[edit]Statement by Selfstudier[edit]Account is blocked now anyway (username vio). Selfstudier (talk) 21:44, 22 May 2022 (UTC) Statement by Orangemike[edit]After being blocked as a role account (a job title is not an acceptable username), user "responded" by deleting the block notice, as well as prior warning content. I then revoked talk page access. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:02, 23 May 2022 (UTC) Result concerning Director of Editing and New Content[edit]
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SPECIFICO
[edit]| SPECIFICO is warned to be more civil in the American Politics topic area and Wikipedia more generally. --Guerillero Parlez Moi 14:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC) |
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Notes
To provide context to the above, I have repeatedly asked the user to retract their accusations of meatpuppetry and they've refused to do so. This all spurred from my response to a request on WP:RFCLOSE in which I closed a discussion on the article talk page. SPECIFICO has repeatedly made false allegations that I am acting as a meatpuppet of Iamreallygoodatcheckers, refused to strike that characterization or apologize, and then baselessly made allegations on an article talk page that I violated discretionary sanctions by editing a page to which they clearly do not apply. It's frankly uncivil at this point and, while I am someone who generally enjoys wading through discussions and writing closing summaries of complex RfCs, this sort of uncivil behavior towards an uninvolved closer that stems from a content dispute in which SPECIFICO is a party has driven me here to request that the user be given a final warning on civility and casting aspersions in the WP:AP2 topic area.
Discussion concerning SPECIFICO[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by SPECIFICO[edit]As I've said elsewhere, I stupidly misused the term "meatpuppeting", which I later looked up and learned did not apply to this situation. However, I explained in some detail the concerns I had about what I feel was OP's undue endorsement of Chex' viewpoint on this issue both in the RfC close and in OP's subsequent creation at Chex' request of a redundant "consensus 58" incorporating the (IMO) flaws of OP's close, when there was no new consensus. So if an apology will resolove this, Hawk you have my apology for using that term "meatpuppeting". SPECIFICO talk 15:14, 12 May 2022 (UTC) Aside from reading that Ernie says, w/o evidence that I'm "sneaky" and that North remembers something unspecified from a decade back, as does G, I am not seeing anything sanction-worthy or anything regrettable aside from my misuse of MEATPUPPET, for which I've abjectly apologized. Frankly, the closer and Chex were rather unresponsive to a direct concern about the content and their editing of it and I thought trying to identify my concern (which I bungled after Hawk doubled down) was a better move than tying up editor resources by requesting a close review on a minor matter. SPECIFICO talk 23:21, 12 May 2022 (UTC) I hope everyone here actually follows the links and reviews the threads that show the content dispute referenced by @CutePeach: so as to properly evaluate its relevance to this complaint. (BTW, yes, WSJ is a corporate affiliate of the NY Post and yes that is a matter of mainstream concern, e.g. [5] [6]. Thank you, SpaceX, for providing context to some of the other discussion here. It's good example of why the context needs to be independently researched by all of us reading noticeboard postings, and I hope all assertions in this thread will be similarly scrutinized by all who care. SPECIFICO talk 14:52, 14 May 2022 (UTC) @Seraphimbade and El C: With due respect for your volunteer efforts, I am at a loss to see any documented basis for your repeated assertions that I am habitiually uncivil let alone that my contuing participation at AP articles is or would be disruptive to article content or talk page collaboration. We all presume you are not merely counting heads on this thread or taking at face value various assertions without thoroughly investigating the context. Checkers self-describes a young and inexperienced editor, so nobody should be surprised that he has at times been overly insistent on talk page threads in ways that have been pointed out to him by various editors, not just by me. I've given him some good advice on other modes of pursuing his views, and he has adopted some of what I'v'e told him in the past. In the present case, I would have hoped that you Admins looked on his talk page when he commented here. His misunderstanding of WP:TE and the confusion between Sealion and WP:Sealion that led to him mistakenly accusing me of attacking him have been fully hashed out. Yes when he was starting out here,he was IMO sealioning and tendentiously repeating views after they'd failed to achieve consusus. I advised him on that on at least two occasions and explained to him how he could use sitewide noticeboards like BLPN and Close Review to ensure that his views were fully considered. On the occasion he As I told him, I had no intention of reporting that for enforcement. I would be disappointed if either of you Admins, in light of the context, would conclude that going to his user talk to raise that issue away from the article pages was unusual or outside of WP norms or agree with his feeling that I was threatening him when I made a point of telling him I was not going to seek enforcement. Looking at that TE thread he cites in his comment below, please consider, Admins, whether you agree with his asssertion that I did not identify the TE, when I twice stated that it was due to his having gone to the article as soon as the RfC ended, to reintroduce the text for which his RfC sought and failed to get approval. It turned out later, evidently, that Checkers was not aware of the full text of [WP:TE which I then quoted to him on his talk page and for which he thanked me. At any rate, after Hawk's complaint was amicably resolved between the two of us, this thread now appears to be turning to undocumented assertions of a serious ongoing problem. The two most active and experienced AP content editors who've commented have disagreed with that view. Of course Admins have the authority to sanction in the DS areas without waiting for an AE filing, but the community expects such actions to be based on documentation and reasoned evaluation. AE has been an acknowledged work in progress for the community, with Arbcom well into the second year of working on improvements. Along with the necessary sanctions on clearly bad actors, there have also been too many questionable decisions that have led to the retirement of some of our best content editors in the AP area after overly aggressive and poorly reasoned applications of DS. Reflecting on the valid portion of the concerns raised here, I think it's clear that (due to IRL reasons and time pressures beyond the scope of this discussion) I have been too careless in my use of links as shorthand for specific complex issues. I misused WP:Sealion instead of Sealion. I referred to WP:TE to an editor who apparently was not fully aware of its text, and I misapplied WP:meatpuppet intending the incorrect meaning that's already been explained and now resolved. So If I were an Admin closing this thread, I would warn SPECIFICO not to rely on links on another user's talk page without also giving a detailed explanation of the issues and why I feel they apply. In my opinion that would be constructive advice worth giving and following. I don't expect to comment further unless I'm asked to respond to a question.. SPECIFICO talk 14:43, 15 May 2022 (UTC) Just a quick further comment concerning the participation of Mr Ernie here. Ernie was banned from participating at AE by @Sandstein: in this diff due to behavior similar to what he's done in this thread. Sandstein later granted Ernie's appeal based on Ernie's statements that he would not repeat such behavior and further that he did not even intend to participate at AE, here. Ernie regularly appears at various pages to support sanctions against me, but given the above, I was surprised to see him appear on this thread at AE, with off-topic disparagement ("sneaky") and the several comments about me and Assange. SPECIFICO talk 01:54, 19 May 2022 (UTC) Statement by User:Iamreallygoodatcheckers[edit]I have been interacting with SPECIFICO for some time now (mainly at Talk:Donald Trump), and while much of it has been fine, I have definitely experienced some of SPECIFCO's uncivil behavior. I've usually tried to give them the benefit of the doubt and just ignore it, but their uncivil behavior has in fact caused me some deal of anxiety and frustration, which has created a toxic environment in areas surrounding American politics. The following comments concern this discussion: User talk:Iamreallygoodatcheckers/Archive 2#WP:NPA at Trump talk. On March 4th they left an accusation on my talk page with no sort of evidence, such as diffs, accusing me of violation WP:NPA. I responded saying that I had done not such thing. In that same thread, Mr Ernie warned them about providing unevidenced allegations. SPECIFICO made no response to mine or Ernies comments. On March 6th, SPECFICO accused me of WP:Casting aspersions, this time providing this diff. [7] Now this is a response I had made on the Trump talk page after SPECIFICO had accused me of WP:SEALION, a redirect to WP:Civil POV pushing, here. [8] With this diff SPECIFICO, says that I casted aspersions and assuring the links (WP:SEALION and WP:Civil POV pushing) are not the same. Now these links very much are the same, just click them if you don't believe me. I and Mr. Ernie again told them to stop with the behavior and that SEALION is the same as Civil POV pushing. SPECIFICO only admitted they were wrong about SEALION and Civil POV pushing after Valjean explained to them that they did in fact cite WP:SEALION against me. However, SPECICIO continued to say that "the problem remained," and that I was sealioning from their understanding. They did not provide any evidence to back these allegations, a fact that is pointed out by Ernie in the discussion. I never have received any form of apology or comment striking (after my request) for SPECICO's false allegations against me of NPA. Relevant diffs: [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] SPECICO has done this to me again just this week on my talk page (see User talk:Iamreallygoodatcheckers#WP:TE at Donald Trump). They accuse me with no evidence of any kind with WP:TE and "overly-insistent and POV editing at AP and BLP articles." They say they are "unlikely to do the work to document" my behavior, which I see as justification on their behalf of providing zero evidence. They also say my behavior is "worthy of a topic ban" in their view. I tell them to please stop with their behavior and that it's caused me stress and created a toxic environment. I have yet to receive any response from them. As detailed above by Mhawk, they have also accused me and Mhawk of meatpuppetting together, an allegation with no evidence. All this is WP:Casting aspersions and potentially WP:HOUND. Relevant diffs: [15] [16] Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 03:54, 10 May 2022 (UTC) At SPECIFICO's request, I'm linking this discussion that provides further context on some of concerns above. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 03:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC) Statement by Mr Ernie[edit]SPECIFICO violated DS at Julian Assange, another politically charged article, a few weeks ago. There is a section on their talk page with the details of that here. What I want to highlight is one of the reverts ([17]), removed content that was decided by RFC consensus just a few weeks ago, with SPECIFICO's participation. Note the RFC was required in part due to SPECIFICO's removal of the content before the RFC. Read the edit summary in the removal after RFC consensus - "NOTNEWS - not a significant fact about Assange No ongoing coverage in his life story." This is a sneaky move to remove content they simply just don't like, and SPECIFICO didn't seem interested to explain it in the linked discussion on their talk page. I don't think another final warning will do any good here - just check the sanction log. In addition to what the OP linked, SPECIFICO received a short topic ban from Joe Biden in 2020, a short topic ban from Julian Assange in 2020, a reminder and a warning in 2018, "Anti-Filibuster, Courtesy in reporting, No personal comments, and Thicker skin sanctions" in 2018, a restriction in 2017, and a warning in 2017. A standard AmPol2 topic ban should do, and I'll support the removal of it when SPECIFICO simply agrees to edit more collaboratively. Mr Ernie (talk) 15:46, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Statement by Sideswipe9th (SPECIFICO)[edit]I don't have much to add, only that I believe this ds/alert issued by SPECIFICO could be construed as reactive to the content dispute between SPECIFICO and Mhawk10. Also from what I can tell, the 1RR/24-hour BRD page restriction point is erroneous with respect to Talk:Donald Trump, as having checked the enforcement log entry that sanction only applies (as far as I can see) to the main article and not the associated article talk pages. From what I've seen elsewhere in the enforcement log, when an article and its talk page is subject to sanctions there is usually some text like Statement by Space4Time3Continuum2x[edit]Seems like a spat arising from a content dispute between two of the most active editors on Donald Trump that could and should be settled among the editors involved. (The content dispute appears to have been solved for now, with none of us getting our preferred versions.) Meatpuppeting — I don’t think that applies, but the term seems to be directed more against Iamreallygoodatcheckers than Mhawk10 who got caught in the middle of the dispute. The suggested indefinite topic ban from American politics seems over the top. I don’t see the relevance of two sanctions in other areas eight years ago, or how this is worse than this incident of disruptive behavior which resulted in zero action. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 11:31, 11 May 2022 (UTC) Adding context to the warning on June 3, 2018, FWIW. I doubt that any editor other than Winkelvi would have taken that interaction to the noticeboard after a discussion lasting exactly one hour (well, maybe D. Creish, banned from all Wikimedia sites since March 2019 and one of the other editors involved in the edits from this one to this one, would have). Winkelvi racked up 13 blocks between 2014 and 2018, including an indefinite one in November 2018. Their request to unblock was denied in 2019. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 13:27, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Statement by Valjean[edit]I agree with Space4Time3Continuum2x that an indef topic ban is way over the top, and such old incidents should not be entered as evidence. The real issue is civility, and a warning is justified. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 02:48, 12 May 2022 (UTC) I support the concerns from Mhawk10 and Nableezy. An AmPol topic ban is over-the-top, whereas a civility parole would deal with the real problem. Considering the apology has been accepted, we're in a situation that amounts to the police dropping all charges, but the judge still issuing a death sentence, rather than a fine (a civility parole). One should also keep in mind that previous accusations made by one of the most tendentious editors we've seen in the AmPol area, who has been banned, should not be counted against SPECIFICO. We should never side with the bad faith accusations from such people. Being attacked by such a person is a badge of honor that shows that SPECIFICO must have been doing something right, rather than wrong. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 14:50, 14 May 2022 (UTC) Statement by North8000[edit]I've not had interactions since many many years ago. But back then was similar to the above. Including IMO false accusations as a tactic in AP debates. Something to lessen the grief for other editors and help SPECIFICO Wiki-evolve would be good. North8000 (talk) 21:45, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Comment by GoodDay[edit]FWIW what exactly is an AP topic ban? I assuming it's American politics. GoodDay (talk) 20:01, 13 May 2022 (UTC) Statement by Nableezy[edit]Theres been an apology, the apology has been accepted, the person who requested sanctions says an indef topic ban is over the top, but thats what is seriously being discussed below. That is the cause of this complaint has been resolved according to the person who opened it, and they say the proposed sanction even prior to the apology was overkill, and yet that appears to be what yall going to settle on. Seems a bit extreme. Just a wee bit. nableezy - 20:41, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Statement by CutePeach[edit]I encountered SPECIFICO when I created Hunter Biden laptop controversy to separate the issue from the Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory article, and I was less than impressed with this editor's deletion of WP:DUE content [30] [31] [32] - while an AFD was ongoing [33]. I found SPECIFICO's interpretation of WP:BLP and WP:NOR to be highly egregious in the TP discussions [34], and they led to the deletion of the page, which has since been restored. Furthermore, their repeated attempts to call WSJ an "affiliate" of NY Post and TP arguments to put this unsourced allegation in wikivoice - was not only a violation of WP:NOR, but also WP:RS. I refuse to believe that an editor as experienced as SPECIFICO was unaware then, as he seemingly is now, of such core policies and how they are applied. As harsh as the topic ban may seem, I think this incident and those mentioned by Mhawk10 and Mr Ernie, show that this editor is unable to leave their POV at the door when editing AP articles. I think an indef topic ban from AP may be what is required to communicate to experienced editors that such conduct can and will be sanctioned. As a valued member of the community, I'm sure SPECIFICO's appeal will be accepted after six months. CutePeach (talk) 10:10, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning SPECIFICO[edit]
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RuudVanClerk
[edit]| RuudVanClerk has been blocked indefinitely for POV-pushing, battleground editing, and misuse of sources. This is an ordinary admin action. Bishonen | tålk 15:23, 25 May 2022 (UTC). |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning RuudVanClerk[edit]
RuudVanClerk makes content contributions where the sources consistently fail verification, and whenever the issues are brought up their responses have ranged from deflection to gaslighting. In this edit RuudVanClerk added a reference to Aparna Rao's 1982 book, which is – conveniently – out of print, held by very few libraries, and in a language that not many people in this topic area can read. Unluckily for them, I was able to access a copy of the book and found out it doesn't have anything remotely resembling the statement they were using it to support. When I brought this up on their talk page, their reply didn't address or even acknowledge the problem [40]. They further stated that they have a copy of the book in question, but when I asked them for quotes, their only response was to promptly blank the entire talk page section [41]. All of that was part of the wider disruption they were causing at Peripatetic groups of Afghanistan (I will provide more details if anyone would like to see them.) I've also checked a few of RuudVanClerk's other content additions and all have had verifiability problems at various levels of severity. Here are a few examples:
These are not just the mistakes of a new editor who's still learning the ropes here. As can be seen from their participation in discussions, RuudVanClerk themself always repeats the need for sticking to the sources. I suspect this discrepancy isn't due to CIR so much as to POV. The vast majority of their edits are to do with either the Rajputs, or their antagonistic groups. Invariably, the former are cast in a positive light (the Bengal Sultanate edit above involved the plugging of a minor episode of Rajput glory), while the latter are presented in negative terms (among the examples above: the Afghanistan peripatetics case was part of their push to insert the word "Jat" into the title of this article about a stigmatised social category; the other two involved adding negative content about Sikhs and about a Gujjar). In an effort to keep this report brief, I've kept only the most illustrative events. I'll be happy to provide more context and further diffs if necessary.
[47]. Discussion concerning RuudVanClerk[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by RuudVanClerk[edit](Typing on phone so may be a bit jumbled so do excuse me) The evidence for arbitration enforce is quite weak. In relation to the first point relating to the article, Peripatetic groups of Afghanistan, the Aparna Rao source itself actually uses Jat in the title itself hence the reason I was in favour of changing the article title. Note the book name: ^ Rao, Aparna (1982). Les Gorbat d'Afghanistan : aspects economiques d'un groupe itinerant "Jat". Editions Recherche sur les civilisations Rather than disrupting the article when the editor reverted the name, I actually attempted to get a third party to mediate the dispute, see here: [48] In relation to the Bengal Sultanate claim, how is adding a small paragraph with a source disruptive in any way? It’s a different matter if it’s not reliable but that should be taken to the reliable sources noticeboard. In relation to the Dhan Singh article, the source literally says that he possibly incited rioters and looters. In fact following our discussion I actually added possibly to reflect that: [[49]] Your accusations of me glorifying Rajputs are comical but unfortunately also a personal attack on myself. Most of my edits do not even concern Rajputs. You just seem unhappy with my edits but unfortunately for you, Wikipedia is an environment where people will inevitably have differing opinions and it is important that you come to terms with that.RuudVanClerk (talk) 15:24, 24 May 2022 (UTC) I just noticed that a lot of your points are quite general almost like you are trying to pull the wool over the admins eyes. Can you detail what exactly is wrong with this edit on Sikhism in Italy: [[50]] How does this relate to me being a supposedly being a “Rajput supremacist”.RuudVanClerk (talk) 15:31, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning RuudVanClerk[edit]
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Roxy the dog
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Roxy the dog[edit]
I realise that some of the diffs I've provided are older than the ds/alert received on 27 May. While not sanctionable because of that, they are I believe necessary to understand the background and how Roxy has been approaching content editing on the Quentin Crisp article. Only diffs 12-18 are after the ds/talk notice. The other important piece of information, at least for the content dispute, is that Quentin Crisp came out as a trans woman approximately one year prior to their death, though this was not widely known until the posthumous release of The Last Word in 2017. While Roxy was reminded by ArbCom in March to be civil and collegial in their editing, in light of Roxy's variation of the transphobic attack helicopter meme, I do not think that Roxy is capable of editing in the GENSEX content area. I am concerned that this failure to follow MOS:GENDERID has been or will be replicated on the articles of other trans or non-binary individuals. Also I'm just barely within the word limit. Could I request additional words please to respond to any admin questions? Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:33, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Roxy the dog[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Roxy the dog[edit]Dear me, this is unfortunate. As can be imagined following my recent brush with ARBCOM, I have been very carefully minding my p's and q's in all my interactions on the project. As I have indicated at the talk page I was unaware of the possible misintepretations of my comment, (now struck), in an area where I do not have much general interest. I have a few LBQT pages on my watchlist, but not many. I have been an admirer of Crisp for many years, probably since I saw him wipe his finger through what appeared to be an inch of gathered dust on his mantlepiece in the 1971 TV documentary. Of course, my memory is poor, and it does not appear to have been his finger, nor an inch. I suppose that could have been in the Naked Civil Servant a few years later. The documentary is linked in the article. I particularly approved of his attitude towards the Princess of Wales later in his life, and Peter Tatchell. I do hope this explains my interest in our article, and why I feel strongly that we should not misrepresent him. Note that I always go with consensus, when it emerges. Trypto has made observations regarding my behaviour at the Talk page, for which I thank him, and I would like to suggest that this diff on another LBQT talk page indicates my aim of improving the project, as do other comments I have made at that page. It is a pity there has been no response to that. I would like to apologise for any offence taken at my innocent remark, and note again that I would not have made the comment had I known how insensitive it was. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 19:52, 28 May 2022 (UTC) Statement by Tryptofish[edit]I want to begin by saying that I consider myself to be wiki-friendly with both Sideswipe and Roxy. Admins should read through Talk:Quentin Crisp. It quickly becomes apparent that there are multiple well-established editors there, who argue on both "sides" of the content dispute, so it's not like Roxy is acting alone against a consensus, or acting against consensus at all. And this is a content dispute, largely about WP:DEFINING rather than about text content, and where some editors seem to be arguing that there is an element of WP:RGW going on among the editors who prefer using the transgender categorization. I also note that the trans information is currently in the lead section: [80] (at the end), where it does not appear to be contested; it's been there in some form for a long time: [81]. The context is incomplete unless one also considers these comments by Roxy: [82], [83] – that's respectful of consensus in my book. And [84] is an honest statement of editorial interpretation, not disruptive. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:09, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Statement by Aircorn[edit]The only thing above that relates to AE is Roxy the dog saying they "identify as a dog". Everything else is a content issue and doesn't belong here.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Aircorn (talk • contribs) 00:33, 28 May 2022 (UTC) Comment by GoodDay[edit]I've recommended an RFC at the bio article-in-question. GoodDay (talk) 02:53, 28 May 2022 (UTC) Statement by Ixtal:[edit]I won't comment on Roxy. Just to clarify for Tryptofish, there is no article on the meme itself on wiki. The article is about a short story written about a decade after the meme surfaced. For better information on the meme itself, I would recommend reading this knowyourmeme entry. We frown on this website for sourcing, but the description there is accurate to my experience with the meme online and reading the full copypasta might be more edifying than our article on the story. — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Join WP:FINANCE! 10:06, 28 May 2022 (UTC) Statement by WanderingWanda:[edit]Just noting that Roxy did, at least, strike the inappropriate joke.[92] WanderingWanda🐮👑 (talk) 16:14, 28 May 2022 (UTC) Statement by Bishonen[edit]I believe Roxy deserves to be taken at his word when he says he was unaware of the "attack helicopter" meme or its implications. We can't all be aware of everything, especially in topic areas we have no great interest in. Roxy is quite prone to speak of himself as a dog, or to sign woof!, in all sorts of contexts. The reason I'm posting here, rather than in the uninvolved admin section below, is that I'm on too friendly terms with Roxy, and like him too much, to see myself as entirely neutral. Bishonen | tålk 22:16, 28 May 2022 (UTC). Result concerning Roxy the dog[edit]
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WatanWatan2020
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Request concerning WatanWatan2020[edit]
I addressed this dispute on the talk page with a long, detailed message that thoroughly explained how the proposed addition failed verification. The gist of my comment was that WatanWatan2020 had taken a Small Wars Journal article entitled "The Afghan Air Force: A Harsh Lesson in the Expensive Game of Airpower Reconstruction" and misused it to support a sweeping claim that Afghanistan Two other contributors—LaundryPizza03 ([94]) and LouisAragon ([95])—expressed disagreement with WatanWatan2020's additions in the ensuing discussion, with the latter lamenting that I will concede that WatanWatan2020 is a relatively new user—the account was registered in 2020, hence the name—and that it may be just barely possible that he did not initially see the prominent discretionary sanctions notice that displays whenever editing Afghanistan. Nevertheless, his willingness to ignore the tentative talk page consensus and reinstate a clear-cut—one might say rather extraordinary—failure of verification after being formally notified—along with his mocking, ill-advised reply to the standard notification template (e.g., "I have also not shown much interest in Pakistan or India, that is the first error by @TheTimesAreChanging")—is so shocking to see in this sensitive topic area that I felt it had to be taken to AE immediately for at least a stern warning or short block, especially given how poorly WatanWatan2020 seems to understand the seriousness of the situation, even now.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 09:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Discussion concerning WatanWatan2020[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by WatanWatan2020[edit](moved from directly below the initial complaint Thryduulf (talk) 14:53, 27 May 2022 (UTC)) This user, @TheTimesAreChanging is conflating the Afghanistan article with the Herat Principality article. This is the first error. In the Afghanistan article, this user deleted an entire paragraph with citations and links, accurate information that is also reinforced on other articles pertaining to the matter. He deleted all of it because he took issue with one sentence; How is this not a violation of WP rules? If you take issue with that one sentence, ponder upon that one sentence. @TheTimesAreChanging has a history of undoing mass edits of other users; it does not seem he puts in the least effort to contribute to these articles. You do not reserve the right to undo an entire paragraph that has information to other things because you take issue with one sentence, and even that sentence is cited with sources. It is high time for your activity to get checked. Individuals like you are quick to run to the admin boards the moment there is pushback against your ways on WP. I hope that the admins investigate his edits thoroughly and inform him that, rather than undo cited sources and information, you deal with what you specifically take issue with. I already compromised by changing the wording of that sentence, even though it didnt need to be changed due to the compromise. This user has not responded to the disucssion, did not compromise, and continues to disrupt not only the Afghanistan Article, but others as well. To add, the user @Tartan357 thanked me for my edits. The user took issue with one sentence which I then deleted. He then thanked me after. @TheTimesAreChanging should actually learn from Tartan357 in which you should contribute to articles and be fair, not delete entire paragraphs that have something to do with totally something else. WatanWatan2020 (talk) 09:19, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Statement by Noorullah21[edit]I am here to contribute to the discussion about user WatanWatan2020, this user has been disruptively editing on multiple pages and Language POV pushing on multiple pages, he ignored 3 editors (including me) on page Herat (1793-1863), completely ignoring us even when given sources. He has also gone on to multiple pages to push his language pov, you can check his contributions for different pages for reference on what I mean. I am here to attest to what Time is saying and can back up their claims. (I believe this is the appropriate section for a discussion, if I am wrong please don’t be afraid to tell me or delete what I said here, or move it to the correct area) Noorullah21 (talk) 09:07, 27 May 2022 (UTC) Statement by Kansas Bear[edit]A cursory search through WatanWatan2020's recent edits show a battleground mentality direct towards other editors. At least 6 different edits WatanWatan has used the term "Pan-Iranian(s)" towards other editors.
And, 4 instances of calling another user's edits, vandalism; I am not convinced this editor is here to build an encyclopedia.--Kansas Bear (talk) 12:57, 27 May 2022 (UTC) Statement by LaundryPizza03[edit]Well, this is a hard case to analyze, since there are so many so-so edits mixed in with the bad ones. Aside from the clownery at Afghanistan, this user has been language POV-pushing as of late, not just with Afghanistan but also with other Persian-speaking Middle Eastern countries. They are currently blocked filing an AN3 report involving Noorullah21 (talk · contribs). Examples include:
Overall, they seem hellbent on asserting that the Persian spoken outside of Iran is not Persian, and that Pashto is the only legitimate language of Afghanistan. Note that this user has fairly constructive edits on other topics, such as this minor grammatical correction at Egyptian Air Force, so the recommended action is a topic ban from language-related edits. I am cutting off here because I have to leave for a meeting at the University of Houston, and the pattern of recent language-related disruption is already clear. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:05, 27 May 2022 (UTC) Statement by Qahramani44[edit]All I can say is his edits have a severe case of WP:BATTLEGROUND, especially since his edits like [105] and the other ones that have been linked here usually involves him deleting reliably sourced material, his repeated attacks on multiple other people accusing them of being "pan-Iranians" doesn't seem to help Wikipedia either, and he seems to be involved in multiple edit wars at the same time. Would support either an indeff block or a topic ban on everything relating to Iranic, Turkic, and Semitic-related topics/countries. --Qahramani44 (talk) 02:36, 28 May 2022 (UTC) Statement by HistoryofIran[edit]At [106], WatanWatan outright rejected seven, highly academic sources, preferring to follow his own personal opinion instead. This is quite concerning. As already listed here, this too was one of the places where he threw around the word "pan-Iranian". --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:15, 30 May 2022 (UTC) Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning WatanWatan2020[edit]
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Iskandar323
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Request concerning Iskandar323
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- Fad Ariff (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 15:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Iranian politics
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Iskandar323 breaking the article's "All editors must obtain consensus on the talk page of this article before reinstating any edits that have been challenged (via reversion)"s rule
1) Edit, reinstated, reinstated. And when I ask them to please stop edit warring, Iskandar323 responds "Cease and desist or be reported"
2) Edit, reinstated.
3) Edit, reinstated.
4) Edit, reinstated.
5) Edit, reinstated.
6) Edit, reinstated.
7) Edit, reinstated.
When notified about this, Iskandar323 doesn't admit to any wrongdoing but instead makes accusations of others being "not WP:CIVIL" (or for example in their report Iskandar323 describes as me having "civility issues with the repeated accusations of edit warring"
)
8) Deletes a lot of content and reliable sources with the edit summary "Removing huge pile of anecdotal news and opinion that merely duplicates what is already said, which is that the MEK is surveilled."
Yet many of the sources Iskandar323 deleted were not "anecdotal news" or "opinion pieces" or content "duplicates" (like articles by NY TimesRadio FardaVoa NewsJustice.govAP News). After I revert asking to "please discuss in the talk page"
, Iskandar323 deletes this content again.
9) Deletes content supported by a Newsweek article with the edit summary "Removing opinion piece supporting a vague statement - article references the 'Trump administration' without naming a spokesperson”
. (Yet the Newsweek article is not an "opinion piece.")
10) Says (multiple times) that we should delete a quote from the article by using different groundless reasons (some of these reasons are pretty absurd): "Removing more material absent from the body copy (again in violation of MOS:LEAD) + quote parroting a primary PR source)"
[107], "primary source quotation"
[108], "it expresses the MEK viewpoint"
[109], "it outlines the objections of the article's subject towards a third party but not vice versa"
[110].
11) On March 28, an administrator warned Iskandar323 to "not clerk an RfC of which you are the filer. You are as involved as it gets. And don't use the words "vandalism" needlessly. Yikes."
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Not that I am aware
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- (04:59, 18 February 2022) An editor explaining sanctions notification to Iskandar323
- (12:02, 20 May 2022) Iranian politics general sanctions notification in Iskandar323’s talk page
- (12:24, 27 May 2022) Iskandar323 posting this notification in another article
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These seem similar problems to when Iskandar323 was last warned and then topic banned from the Arab-Israeli conflict at WP:AE. Fad Ariff (talk) 15:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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Discussion concerning Iskandar323
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Statement by Iskandar323
[edit]First off, and perhaps needless to say, this is of course a retaliatory filing (for the case above) by Far Ariff, who, as you can also see, seems to be having a problem with not one, but two other editors here, making this a clear example of WP:1AM. In this filing, Fad Ariff belatedly makes much of the "consensus before reinstating challenged edits" component of the Iran politics DS. I say belatedly, because Fad Ariff has been plenty remiss in following this themselves. If I am guilty then they, having A) ignored consensus, and B) exceeded WP:1RR, are thrice guilty. However, insomuch as I may have myself have reinstated some edits, as noted above, without explicitly obtaining consensus, I may possibly be slightly at fault. The problem, for several months, has been that Fad Ariff has been reverted almost any attempt to edit the page, more often than not on the flimsiest of excuses, such as in this diff, where they essentially present the justification that because there is general agreement that the article is too long, they can block the addition of reliably sourced content (while chucking in an accusation of POV). Now in my mind, ANY reversion should be justified by a pretty solid reason, ideally grounded in policy, and I believe that whimsically reverting other editors for no good reason is an abuse of Wikipedia's core advice on when to revert. In examples such as the instance above, the blocking of the addition of reliably sourced content appears to me to also be a pretty classic example of WP:SQS, but that's just my opinion. In any case, where Fad Ariff has provided utterly paper-thin grounds for reversion, I have indeed been viewing the "consensus before reinstating challenged edits" as somewhat negated, because indeed, if no good reason needs to be provided for a revert then the Iran politics DS are just utterly ripe for abusive stonewalling. I'll leave it there for now pending questions. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:33, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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Aman.kumar.goel
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Request concerning Aman.kumar.goel
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- Hemantha (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 11:56, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/India-Pakistan#Standard_discretionary_sanctions
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 2022-05-29 19:54:31 - reverts significant parts of a controversial article to years-old version and is edit-warring now without addressing any of the issues raised. This is similar to the article on China (2022-04-29 18:58), where he had reverted lede to an old revision with a misleading edsum. See also this from Feb 2022 where he reverted intermediate improvements from other users, in order to revert a sock.
- 2022-04-06 19:13:12 - removed sourced info. Seen in total isolation, the edit doesn't merit scrutiny, but he followed up with an edit war and an SPI filing. This appears to be in continuation of his drive from 2021 about religious conversions (related AE filing which was redirected to ANI)
- 2022-05-29 19:48, 2022-05-29 19:38:25 - restores content sourced only to a primary quote, on two articles. This was after non-cooperation on his talk page about concerns I'd raised about his poor additions from 2019 and selective removal of my comments. Following diffs, all recent, illustrate his lazy approach towards sourcing in certain topics -
- 2022-05-26 16:30 - addition from an existing graph in the article without checking that it was OR
- 2022-05-29 20:32 - reverts, without explanation, an IP which had removed unsourced content
- 2022-05-28 23:34 - WP:OR comparison not in the source (as well as other issues)
- this from Feb 2022, where he reverted multiple improvements and edit warred, only because the editor had been blocked for a week for socking.
None of the above are from policy ignorance. He has extensive history of quoting policy correctly in disputes when it suits his POV. A stellar example of his POV is how he adds "riot" without a single source in his edit mentioning the word (I can't easily find a single RS on web as well) to 2021 Bangladesh anti-Modi protests, but silently changes a "Gujarat riots" section heading to "Gujarat violence" in a large edit. Further any communication with him is difficult due to, what I can only term as, deliberate misinterpretation. (see also this instance) Hemantha (talk) 11:56, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
- 2020-02-14 01:06 blocked for edit warring on Siddha medicine
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- Extensive history of alerting others. I'll pick an ("apparently retaliatory") one from 2021-07-09T08:53:27 as appropriate for the time-frame of diffs presented above.
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
His significant content contributions appear to be before 2021 and I think are mostly concentrated in Indian space exploration related articles. I believe them to be of poor quality, suffering from the extensive use of government and company releases. His current focus is mostly patrolling, where he is as spare in his communication as he is quick to revert. Because of AE restrictions, I've limited the filing to recent diffs which I believe show a pattern of poor edits and bad communication. His aggressiveness is probably of some use in sock-hunting (also weaponised by Aman), but disruptive in fraught areas. Hemantha (talk) 11:56, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
The dissembling employed as an offensive tactic below by Aman is indicative of his routine behaviour. He's careful after the previous block to stop at 3 reverts, but he's been involved in eight edit wars in the last one year - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. It's impossible to have any kind of discussion in the face of such misinterpretation and hostility. Hemantha (talk) 06:24, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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Discussion concerning Aman.kumar.goel
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Statement by Aman.kumar.goel
[edit]Do you really think that nobody is gonna be surprised when you are participating in a discussion about removing particular content, and when the edits are implemented per that discussion you start acting as if such a discussion never happened by asking "where is the discussion about this btw?
"? But what is even more absurd that you put the effort into creating a superficial report by citing the diffs that you don't even understand only because you have failed to justify your unwarranted edit warring with your apparent WP:STONEWALLING on the talk page.
I expect a WP:BOOMERANG given this user's history of filing the same superficial reports with misleading diffs in the recent times.[112] Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 13:19, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
I find it suspicious that this is the first ever edit made by StellarNerd to this noticeboard and their first ever edit to the article in question is reversion of my edit. Their talk page input can be only described as classic WP:STONEWALLING.[113] In their statement below, they are sticking to misrepresenting the discussion when the months old discussion clearly involved restoring "last stable version before it happened to provide coverage to these non-notable incidents
",[114] with which Vanamonde93 had also agreed. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 20:55, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93 I avoid pinging because others may deem it as canvassing. But in your case I will remember next time.
@RegentsPark First it was necessary to agree about the scope before evaluating which incidents should be included. With Hemantha saying "Scope of the article is nowhere restricted to physical violence
", and StellarNerd saying "Lynchings aren't minor
",[115] these editors refused to accept that the article does not allow the inclusion of minor and non-notable incidents but only the significant incidents.[116] I had provided the explanation of what I changed after the scope was clarified once again. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 01:38, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Statement by StellarNerd
[edit]I looked at this. The discussion in February https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Violence_against_Muslims_in_India#Hemantha's_reverts was about this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Violence_against_Muslims_in_India&diff=1072726719&oldid=1072726547 1,452 letter removal, which included two bullying incidents, that maybe count as too minor. Aman.kumar.goel has been presenting that discussion wrongly, and is removing https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Violence_against_Muslims_in_India&diff=1090750469&oldid=1090750352 12,543 letters. Not only that, some of the content removed is by no means minor. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Violence_against_Muslims_in_India&oldid=1090856433#Approximate_total_victims_due_to_major_incidents this entire summary table tabulating the dead in all the major riots and massacres was removed. Much of the language in the article was changed. The article was taken two years back, to 2020. There is no agree to that there, and Aman.kumar.goel is making it out to be as if there is an agreement to taking the article back two years, but there simply isn't. --StellarNerd (talk) 20:46, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- I do not see User:Vanamonde93 agreeing anywhere to take the article back to where it was in 2020, removing summary tables and many mob lynchings that weren't at all discussed in the section Aman.kumar.goel links to, that discusses a quote and cyberbullying, but not at all what Aman.kumar.goel is doing now. --StellarNerd (talk) 21:10, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Statement by Vanamonde93
[edit]I'm unsure why I'm being name-dropped here; yes, at some point I made the statement that Violence against Muslims in India should cover the general phenomenon, and touch on major incidents of violence, rather than containing a long list of (relatively) minor incidents. I have not engaged in this discussion in quite some time, and have certainly not supported either party in this current dispute. AKG, I do not appreciate that you are citing my statements in support of your position at an admin noticeboard without pinging me or otherwise letting me know. Vanamonde (Talk) 23:26, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Statement by Uanfala
[edit]I'm not acquainted with this case, but the mention of aggressive reverting and poor communication rings a bell. In one instance from March, which I've described in another thread, Aman.kumar.goel did several rounds of unexplained mass reverts of a new user's contributions (only some of those contributions were unhelpful, none appeared to be in bad faith), and their only communication that I could see was a series of escalating template warnings (starting straight at level 2) for unspecified disruptive behaviour. – Uanfala (talk) 09:54, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
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[edit]Result concerning Aman.kumar.goel
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- @Aman.kumar.goel: A cursory look at the talk page shows that Hemantha and StellarNerd are making a fairly reasonable request of you. They want you to make small, explained changes rather than a wholesale reversion to an old version. Hemantha, for example, seems fine with what appears to be your main objection - the removal of minor incidents as long as you explain the removals. I need to take a deeper look but you do need to explain why you find this unreasonable. --RegentsPark (comment) 01:27, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Pahlevun
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Request concerning Pahlevun
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- Fad Ariff (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 11:54, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Pahlevun (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Iranian politics
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Pahlevun deletes many citations and content from the article Organization of Struggle for the Emancipation of the Working Class (also known as "Peykar"), changing the article's narrative that this group is not also called the "Marxist Mojahedin":
- In their (15:55, 20 May 2022) edit, Pahelvun deletes:
1) A citation published by University of California Press (author is Ervand Abrahamian, who Pahlevun referred to as an "expert") that says "Immediately after the revolution, when the Marxist Mojahedin renamed itself Peykar"
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2) A citation published by Harvard University Press that says "PEYKAR (DISSIDENT MARXIST WING OF THE MUJAHIDIN EKHALQ) Leader Hossein Ruhani (arrested 1982). Maximum strength (from 1980 to 1982): 3,000 fighter equipped with light weapons"
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3) "membership Maximum 3,000 equipped with light weapons"
4) A citation published by Routledge that says "In 1975, the Mojahedin split into two factions. One faction denounced Islam and declared its loyalty to Marxism-Leninism through a Maoist interpretation. This faction renamed itself Peykar (Struggle) and emerged as one of the most active leftist revolutionary organizations during the 1979 revolution."
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- In their (15:52, 20 May 2022) edit Pahelvun deletes:
5) A citation published by University of California Press (also authored by Ervand Abrahamian) that says "After the split, Ruhani served as the Marxist Mojahedin's chief representative in Europe and the Arab world. ... Immediately after the revolution, when the Marxist Mojahedin renamed itself Peykar, he ran as its Majles candidate in Tehran. ... He also caused a major scandal in 1980 by divulging for the first time the secret Mojahedin negotiations with Khomeini."
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6) A citation published by Princeton University Press (also authored by Ervand Abrahamian) that says "Paykar organization” (Marxist Mujahedin)"
[5]
- In their (15:50, 20 May 2022) edit Pahelvun deletes:
7) "also called the Marxist Mojahedin, was a splinter group from the People's Mujahedin of Iran (PMoI/MEK)”
8) A citation published by Palgrave Macmillan that says "Rahman (Vahid) Afrakhteh, Foad Rohani, Hasan Aladpoush, and Mahboobeh Mottahedin, formed a new Marxist organization, later known as Organization of Struggle for the Emancipation of the Working Class or simply Peykar."
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- Gaslighting in the talk page (full discussion here):
9) When I show Pahlevun over 16 academic sources that contradict with their changes, Pahlevun gives a dismissive answer ignoring the sources I provided, and concludes with "...it is simply a matter of subject-matter expert vs. non-expert scholar"
(15:47, 24 May 2022)
10) When I show Pahlevun that one of the authors Pahlevun refers to as "expert" was also cited in the 16 sources I provided, Pahlevun responds with "You are putting your words in the mouth of "the majority of academia" and acting like the more, the merrier. Anything written by a non-expert that contradicts with what an expert says, should be taken with a grain of salt"
(13:35, 25 May 2022)
(I’m on my word count limit already, but can show more examples if requested)
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Not that I am aware
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In the 2021 IRANPOL case an administrator said Pahlevun (though no longer an "active participant"
), had "participated in some of its nastiest episodes"
, and links an 2019 ANI case where Pahlevun is also shown deleting a lot of similar content from Wikipedia. There Pahlevun said "I saw some user has argued that I should punished because I made edits after I "returned from a short wiki-break". It is not clear, even to myself, that how much I can continue my contributions because of the hardships that I'm facing since a few months ago. So, there's possibly nothing to prevent "
. About the recent edits linked above, when I asked Pahlevun to explain why they deleted all this content from the article, Pahlevun stopped responding. Fad Ariff (talk) 11:54, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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- This [120] may also be helpful here, although I am not involved in that discussion. Fad Ariff (talk) 11:52, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
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Fad Ariff
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Request concerning Fad Ariff
[edit]- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Iskandar323 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 15:58, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Iranian politics
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- In this diff (12:07, 27 May 2022) Revert of material against the consensus of two other editors, as openly admitted by the editor themselves in a talk page post minutes earlier in this diff (11:57, 27 May 2022).
- Just over a week ago, this revert (13:14, 17 May 2022) by Fad Ariff was undone (13:50, 17 May 2022) by a previously uninvolved editor, SkidMountTubularFrame, who noticed the edit warring, only for the material to be reverted again (12:06, 20 May 2022) by Far Ariff - again reverting multiple editors without compunction in a conflict area.
- In what appears to be a WP:1RR breach, this diff (12:05, 15 April 2022) followed this diff (12:06, 14 April 2022) - the latter being a revert of this diff (14:00, 13 April 2022).
- Another WP:1RR breach in this diff (12:56, 12 March 2022) following this diff (15:37, 11 March 2022) - subsequently self-reverted ... after prompting.
- Fad Ariff also brushes up against WP:1RR (with a second revert just outside 24hrs) on a regular basis in a manner that conveys a clear sense of entitlement to one revert a day. This includes:
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n/a
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- Placement of DS alert on 12 March 2022
- Express explanation of WP:1RR (14:00, 12 March 2022), as clearly received and understood in this self-revert (14:00, 12 March 2022 )
- Another example (12:42, 19 April 2022) of an invitation to self-revert following the 19 April second revert after 24 hours and 3 minutes (an invitation that was ignored).
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
Despite a clear demonstration of an awareness of what DS and WP:1RR entail, and subsequent warnings that their double reverts in just over 24 hrs represents an entitled approach to WP:1RR that could be interpreted as WP:GAMING, they have only become bolder in doing just this, as well as edit warring against multiple other editors over the same material despite this being a conflict area with stronger than usual requirements for consensus. Reversion is being deployed to prevent any changes to the page that the editor just doesn't like in a manner that is increasingly reminiscent of WP:OWN. There are also civility issues with the repeated accusations of edit warring (with no apparent sense of irony). Iskandar323 (talk) 15:58, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- In response to @Fad Ariff's claim of a WP:1RR breach on my part, I would like to note that the two diffs in question where both part of the same series of consecutive edits, so, for the sake of counting reversions, would be considering part of the same, single revert. I would also like to reiterate that, as you can see from Far Ariff's response on the subject of ignoring two other editors, they seem to think that they can justify this by slinging accusations of there being "problematic POV issues", which is obviously an extremely accusatory and not particularly WP:AGF stance to be taking. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:22, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Bishonen: And another, so make that four reports. Fad Ariff has had a busy day. It's incredible the things you can achieve when you are an WP:SPA in a conflict area. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:43, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Fad Ariff: I didn't allude to you being a single-purpose account; I suggested it quite clearly (and, quite obviously, you have, for many months, only editing within the post-1978 Iranian politics conflict area, and with a slightly pro-MEK leaning), but please also note that it is not necessarily a bad thing: why not read the essay? As for my COI enquiry, it's more or less a yes/no question. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
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Discussion concerning Fad Ariff
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Statement by Fad Ariff
[edit]Hello. It’s my first time in one of these. May I please have a couple of days to familiarise a bit with this process? Thank you. Fad Ariff (talk) 11:59, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for allowing me some time to respond.
1. I had posted an explanation for that revert, so consensus for adding this to the article had not yet been reached. What Iskandar323 calls "consensus of two other editors"
is actually Iskandar323 and Ghazaalch (another editor with a problematic POV issues who I'll discuss in a separate report) piling on each other’s posts in that article and then using that as a means to jump over substantive discussions in the talk page.
2. Here Iskandar323 again tried to make modifications to the article by jumping over the talk page discussion. I just reverted some of Iskandar323’s edits back to the article’s original version and then proposed reaching a consensus together for those edits on the talk page. The article’s rules does not allow to reinstate edits that have been challenged (via reversion), and Iskandar323 broke this rule here.[121][122] SkidMountTubularFrame, an editor that was not aware of what was going on, thanked me when I notified them in about this their talk page.
3. Here I did seem to have broken 1RR. If I been notified in good faith (as I have done with notifying Ghazaalch in good faith when they broke 1RR), I would have self-reverted (just like I did on point "4" below). Still, I apologize for this and it won’t happen again.
4. Here I still didn’t know about 1RR, so I self-reverted when I was informed.
5. If editing some minutes over the 24hrs period is not allowed in an article with 1RR then I won’t do it again.
Iskandar323 has been making many big changes to that article in the last weeks often jumping over the talk page discussions and reinstating edits that were challenged via reversion (something that is against the article's rules). They have also broken 1RR (for example, 14:05, 13 May 2022 and 14:13, 13 May 2022) but I wouldn’t report them for that because they could easily be notified instead. All of Iskandar323’s diffs in their report shows that I reverted edits to the article's original version whenever I found their edits to be problematic or in disagreement with talk page discussions. I did slip up breaking 1RR (Iskandar323’s point "3"), which happened after I had first become aware of 1RR (point "4"). I apologize for that and as noted it won't happen again. About Iskandar323’s claims that "There are also civility issues with the repeated accusations of edit warring"
, I will post a separate report so I can explain that in a clear way. Fad Ariff (talk) 14:56, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Since there has been a suggestion to merge the "Fad Ariff", "Iskandar323", and "Ghazaalch" reports (which I think makes sense) I think I should explain more clearly the connection between these.
- I wrote "piling on" on the response to this report Iskandar323 made against me, and did not explain that well. For example Ghazaalch first reverts me saying
"The article is already too long"
[123][124], Iskandar agrees with Ghazaalch ("I agree with @Ghazaalch that the article is already too long and that we should in general be looking to remove material, not add "
)[125], but then when I try to shorten the article Iskandar323 nullifies my proposal with comments like"And then its the usual bollocks about the article being too long"
[126] (Ghazaalch does a similar type of gaslighting nullifying my proposals with comments like"The question here is that why you are focusing on shortening this section, while there are other sections that are longer than this? "
[127]).
- Iskandar323 accuses me of stonewalling but the talk page shows I aim to find compromises. It is actually Ghazaalch and Iskandar323 who have been stonewalling as shown by their lack of trying to reach compromises. For example, in this discussion[128] I make a proposal and ask that if they don't agree with my proposal they can post a proposal themselves (but they don't offer a proposal of their own, they just shut mine down). I even tried solving disputes at WP:DR, but when a mediator offered to mediate the dispute if all parties agreed to participate through some basic GF rules, both Iskandar323 and Ghazaalch stopped responding[129].
- Then Iskandar323 reports me here even though I have constantly followed the WP:CRP and WP:BRD cycles (and self-reverted if I unknowingly broke 1RR and was notified). And Iskandar323 is now also resorting to alluding that I'm an "SPA"[130] and asking if I'm a "COI"[131], which are more bad faith and groundless insinuations.
- Since much of this evidence seems obvious to me but may not be to others, please ping me if anything is unclear. Thank you. Fad Ariff (talk) 11:49, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Statement by Ghazaalch
[edit]The main problem with the Talk:People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran is that there is no admin to moderate in this page. There were a couple of them, but they exhausted with the way the discussions were going on and gave up. This is because there are always some pro-PMOI users such as Fad Ariff who are determined to eliminate the content that is critical of PMOI and do everything to reach their goals. Assassinations section (which is listing assassinations carried out by PMOI) for example and Cult of personality (which explain how Rajavi turned the PMOI into a cult) are among the sections that pro-PMOI users are determined to delete; and they do it through different tricks or under the pretext of summarizing and reorganizing the article. Most of them were blocked recently but new ones emerged, among them were TheDreamBoat, Hogo-2020 and Fad Ariff. Look at Talk:People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran#Revert of names, for example, to see how the discussion started with TheDreamBoat. When TheDreamBoat was blocked, Ypatch took his place and continued the discussion. When Ypatch himself was blocked, Hogo-2020 took his place and continued the discussion; and see the way this discussion ends up. Because no admin is watching this page, and so they do what they like. As for Fad Ariff, like Hogo and others, he discusses, or better say, writes something, no matter what it is, to show that he is not convinced, and to show that there is no consensus yet; meaning you cannot add anything to the article without his permission. And again since there is no moderator to implement the consensus, he is not worried about the way discussions goes on. Here is an examples:
Fad Ariff writes: @Ghazaalch I reverted your edit because cult stuff is already covered in four different sections and in the lead of the article
, which make the impression that what I added to "Cult of personality" section is repeated elsewhere in the article or at least there are some sections (other than "Cult of personality") where there is some information concerning the "Cult stuff" he is talking about, but the only sentence you can find is this short one in the lede: "Critics have described the group as "resembling a cult
". That is all. But as you can see in the second half of this section, no one can convince him that he shouldn't have done the deletion.
Here is another example:
Fad Ariff starts to explain here why he deleted/reverted a well sourced paragraph, and he makes the impression that he wants to justify the deletion, and he makes some suggestion, in order to reach consensus. Later on he writes that he will work on moving this and other information to sections where they are more suitable.
By saying this, again he makes the impression that he wants to move the reverted/deleted information to another section, but in fact, under this pretext, he wants to move an old paragraph (that he cannot revert/delete), to other sections so that he could empty the section from its contents, in order to delete the section entirely little by little. (This is the volume of the section after his edit) Because the title of this section ( Cult of personality) attracts the reader's attentions and he does not like it. So Instead of restoring the new paragraph he reverted/deleted, he jumps into a RFC to remove the old one too.
And RFC is the ideal place for him and the other Pro-PMOI users as I said in a previous arbitration, because finding some People to vote for them is much easier than convincing their opponents using reliable sources. One of these voters, for example, is NMasiha who has appeared after a year to vote in these RFCs. Ghazaalch (talk) 18:17, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Statement by NMasiha
[edit]What Ghazaalch is saying about me here is false. I made a couple of edits to the PMOI article in February [132][133], and in its talk page on May [134] for example, so I have not suddenly "appeared after a year"
like Ghazaalch is saying. I have also edited other articles in this area (although most of my edits are in the FaWiki). Ghazaalch is much more involved in this article and talk page than I am. NMasiha (talk) 15:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
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[edit]Result concerning Fad Ariff
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- Awaiting Fad Ariff's response. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:02, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Brad, it looks like some of Fad Ariff's response is the retaliatory filing below. Clearly, it would have been better if they had kept inside this section here, but I wouldn't throw the book at them for that; it's not really surprising that some users don't understand the WP:AE system perfectly. Fad Ariff's following attempt to take out another opponent concerns me more. Probably all three reports should be assessed together. Bishonen | tålk 08:13, 1 June 2022 (UTC).
Ghazaalch
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Request concerning Ghazaalch
[edit]- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Fad Ariff (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 15:06, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Ghazaalch (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Iranian politics
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
1) WP:NPA: "Saying one thing and doing another thing is an act of hypocrisy, and the "hypocrites'" is another name used for The People's Mojahedin of Iran."
(13:44, 23 May 2022) (comment directed at me and at the subject of the article)
2) WP:BATTLEGROUND: "If I were an admin, I would blocked People like you from discussing; and from editing, in the first place"
(11:39, 25 April 2022)
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
Not that I am aware
- If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)
- (14:51, 7 February 2021) Talk page notification
- (15:53, 21 May 2021) Talk page notification
- (22:49, 25 July 2021) In the case that led to WP:GS/IRANPOL, administrator User:Vanamonde93 said Ghazaalch had been a
"party to this dispute"
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
Ghazzalch has an obvious WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS stand towards the subject of the article as shown by their comment on point "1". Ghazzalch also shows constant "us vs them" battleground mentality with editors they disagree with (as shown in point "2" ). Fad Ariff (talk) 15:06, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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Discussion concerning Ghazaalch
[edit]@Bishonen: I do agree with your comment that merging the 3 cases would make the reading of these cases easier, and thank you for your consideration of me being new to AE. About Ghazaalch's comment (point "1"), sorry but reading that again I don't think I explained myself well there. In Islam, the term "Munafiq" (or "hypocrites", or false Muslim) is used in a derogatory way. The Iranian regime consistently refers to the People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran (an Iranian political group that also happens to be Muslim) with this derogatory term ("The regime, claiming that the Mojahedin were unbelievers masquerading as Muslims, used the Koranic term Monafeqin (hypocrites) to describe them"
[1]). Ghazaalch's comment is alluding to that (making an attack on the PMOI’s Muslim identity, and trying to associate me to that through a vague “act of hypocrisy” comparison). Fad Ariff (talk) 11:56, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Abrahamian, Ervand (1989). Radical Islam: The Iranian Mojahedin. I.B. Tauris. p. 143. ISBN 978-1-85043-077-3.)
- In case this needs more clarification (which may have escaped me), the article itself clearly describes the "hypocrites" term with relation to the subject in two different sections.
"Monafiqeen (Persian: منافقین, lit. 'the hypocrites') – the Iranian government consistently refers to the organization with this derogatory name. The term is derived from the Quran, which describes it as people of "two minds" who "say with their mouths what is not in their hearts" and "in their hearts is a disease"."
"The regime claimed that the MEK were "unbelievers masquerading as Muslims", and used the Qur'anic term "monafeqin" (hypocrites) to describe them. This label was also later used by the Islamic Republic to discredit the MEK. According to Ervand Abrahamian, the Iranian regime "did everything it could" to tarnish the MEK "through a relentless campaign by labeling them as Marxist hypocrites and Western-contaminated ‘electics’, and as ‘counter-revolutionary terrorists’ collaborating with the Iraqi Ba’thists and the imperialists""
- Fad Ariff (talk) 11:53, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Galobtter: You don't consider using a reference to a group of Muslim people being "
unbelievers masquerading as Muslims
" a personal attack on their religious identity? Fad Ariff (talk) 11:52, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Galobtter: You don't consider using a reference to a group of Muslim people being "
Statement by Ghazaalch
[edit]Concerning the first quoted expression above, I did not want to say that Fad Ariff is a "hypocrite", but wanted to say that saying one thing and doing another thing is an act of hypocrisy, and that "hypocrites" is a name used for People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran, as you could see in the section Other names.
As for the second expression, I explained it in the above request, concerning Fad Ariff. Ghazaalch (talk) 14:07, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
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[edit]Result concerning Ghazaalch
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- I don't see the two expressions of irritation that Fad Ariff links to in this report as worthy of sanctions. Indeed, I see this report as an obvious attempt to take out an opponent. Note also that this is the second report against an opponent that Fad Ariff has posted within five minutes [sic]. Inspired, I suppose, by Iskandar's report against himself which can be seen higher up. Fad Ariff, this board is for serious, intractable problems. Please don't waste admins' time. Bishonen | tålk 08:32, 1 June 2022 (UTC).
- Yeah I don't see anything actionable. Galobtter (pingó mió) 03:26, 6 June 2022 (UTC)