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Amendment request: Palestine-Israel articles 4

Initiated by Newslinger at 01:04, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Case or decision affected
Palestine-Israel articles 4 arbitration case (t) (ev / t) (w / t) (pd / t)
Clauses to which an amendment is requested
  1. Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 4#Definition of the "area of conflict"
List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request
Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
Information about amendment request

Statement by Newslinger

I recently encountered a user talk page discussion titled "Views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the Gaza war", in which Patternbuffered said, "I was going to just revert, but I'll give you a day or so to clean it up", in reference to article content related to the Arab–Israeli conflict. As Patternbuffered was not extended confirmed, the extended confirmed restriction (ECR) of WP:CT/A-I prohibited Patternbuffered from performing the described revert.

Per current practice (e.g. ScottishFinnishRadish's warning of Long-live-ALOPUS in another discussion for violating ECR by posting another user talk page comment), my understanding is that ECR also prohibited Patternbuffered from starting the user talk page discussion in the first place. However, Patternbuffered pointed out to me that the wording of the clause in question excludes "userspace" from the "area of conflict" without additional qualifiers. Long-live-ALOPUS also interpreted the clause as it was written.

I do not believe it is the intent of the userspace exception to allow non–extended confirmed users to openly discuss the Arab–Israeli conflict on other users' talk pages in ways that are prohibited in other namespaces and restricted on article talk pages. I ask the Arbitration Committee to amend the clause to limit the exception to the editor's own userspace, which better reflects existing practice. — Newslinger talk 01:04, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ScottishFinnishRadish: The problem is that, in the lead section of WP:CT/A-I, the text "with certain exceptions as provided below" contains a link to WP:CT/A-I § ARBPIA General Sanctions, which does invoke the term "area of conflict" in the bullet point "Extended confirmed restriction: The extended confirmed restriction is imposed on the area of conflict." An editor who is unfamiliar with the case history cannot be expected to know that ECR applies to the entire topic area (and not just the defined "area of conflict") after reading the WP:CT/A-I page. — Newslinger talk 14:23, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Patternbuffered

As I wrote on my talk page I was fine with the warning and just curious about an apparent loophole. I agree it should be addressed to mitigate future confusion or conflict; how that should be done I will leave in more experienced hands. Patternbuffered (talk) 11:51, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Long-live-ALOPUS

Statement by Thryduulf

While at first glance the simple change seems unproblematic, there does need to be some allowance for posting on other users' talk pages. The first scenario that comes to mind is:

  • User:Example is not extended-confirmed. They make a good-faith edit to content related to the area of dispute on a page that is not ECP protected.
  • User:Foo reverts this edit on the grounds that Example is not extended-confirmed
  • User:Example posts on user talk:Foo seeking clarification (maybe they didn't understand jargon used in the summary)
  • User:Foo replies
  • User:Example posts a follow-up question (e.g. perhaps still not understanding, perhaps disagreeing that the content is related to the dispute)

As long as Example is not sealioning or otherwise acting in bad faith, we don't want to prohibit this sort of interaction yet a simple reading of the proposed language would do that. My first thought is a much-wordsmithed "this does not include discussion of actions taken regarding a user's own edits that takes place on the talk page of the user taking that action." While "discussion with the editor taking that action" is simpler, it would prohibit follow-up to a reply given by a talk-page stalker which I don't think would be desirable. Other things to consider are that good-faith, genuinely new editors are not guaranteed to know about pinging users to their own talk page, won't know how to determine whether some other editor is or is not extended-confirmed and if the queried actions relate to more than one editor (e.g. User:Foo reverted user:Example and user:Example2) it is better for all concerned for all discussion about it to happen on a single page. Thryduulf (talk) 01:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Zero0000

At WP:ARBPIA4#Definition of the "area of conflict" it says "For the purposes of editing restrictions in the ARBPIA topic area, the "area of conflict" shall be defined as encompassing...edits relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict, to pages and discussions in all namespaces with the exception of userspace.". And the application of ARBECR to PIA is "The extended confirmed restriction is imposed on the area of conflict." (my bold). So, even if "topic area" at WP:ARBECR is more general than "area of conflict", the ARBPIA page explicitly exempts userspace from it.

To repeat myself, ARBPIA4 does not apply ARBECR to the PIA "topic area" but only to the "area of conflict", which is a defined domain.

If ArbCom wants to replace the motion, they should do so with a motion to repeal and replace it, as this is not the first time the issue has come up and it won't be the last unless it is put to rest.

Personally I think that there is nothing wrong with a general userspace exemption, but reducing it to own-userspace would not be a big problem. On the other hand, restricting non-ECs from making comments in their own userspace would seem to have no purpose whatever, as there are other mechanisms for handling disruption. What sense is there in allowing edit requests on article talk pages but disallowing the same on own talk? I think own-userspace should be a general exemption to ECR in all topics. Zerotalk 12:02, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by {other-editor}

Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the amendment request or provide additional information.

Palestine-Israel articles 4: Clerk notes

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Palestine-Israel articles 4: Arbitrator views and discussion

  • The area of conflict language isn't found in Extended confirmed restriction – only extended-confirmed editors may make edits related to the topic area, with certain exceptions as provided below. All articles whose topic is strictly within the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area shall be extended confirmed protected by default, without requiring prior disruption on the article. The most recent clarification and motion says The restriction applies to all edits and pages related to the topic area, broadly construed, with the following exceptions. The "area of conflict" language is just an artifact on that page because of older decisions. ECR applies to all edits related to the topic area, broadly construed. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:52, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Thryduulf, I think that falls under WP:BANEXEMPT#2, and that's how I've always seen it handled and handled it myself. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:56, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Newslinger, yeah, that should probably be fixed. It looks like it's just a supplemental page so it doesn't need a full motion so if my views align with the rest of the committee it should be a simple matter to tidy up. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:50, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you very much, SilverLocust. I was about to search for the discussion where I had analyzed this and said it should be changed. Here it is. My comment from 11:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC) is still my opinion on this matter. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:56, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with ToBeFree immediately above, and their comments (that they link to) last time it was at this page. Daniel (talk) 00:47, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ARBPIA EC by default adjustment

Looking to adjust the WP:ARBPIA preemptive EC protection to be allowed rather than required. There's a pretty significant burden on RFPP and the patrolling admins caused by the requirement to protect articles that will likely never see disruption. The aim is to allow admin judgement on whether or not articles need to be protected while still explicitly allowing preemptive protection while standardizing the preemptive protection language between PIA and CT/SA.

WP:ARBPIA EC by default adjustment: Clerk notes

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Motion: WP:ARBPIA EC by default adjusted from mandatory to allowed

Remedy 1 of the Palestine-Israel articles 5 case ("ECP by default") is rescinded and is replaced with Administrators are permitted to preemptively protect articles covered by WP:PIA when there is a reasonable belief that they will be the target of disruption.

For this motion there are 14 active arbitrators. With 0 arbitrators abstaining, 8 support or oppose votes are a majority.

Support:

  1. I trust the judgement of our admins enough to give them the leeway to decide that although something may be covered by ARBPIA it doesn't need EC protection. This still allows preemptive protection when an admin believes there may be disruption. It also prevents someone dumping 60 articles at RFPP that technically must be protected. Lastly, it standardizes the language between the two topics that allow preemptive protection. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:24, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I believe that this was one of our biggest mistakes this year, leading to a near-overwhelming amount of work to the point that the list of protections had to be split off from the main log. I wanted to repeal it entirely and leave the extended-confirmed restriction in its place instead, but I don't think that we would have a majority for that and pragmatically I think that this is a significant improvement over the status quo. Sdrqaz (talk) 14:09, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose:

Abstain:

Arbitrator views and discussions

Community discussion

Statement by Guerillero

I'm not sure that playing whack a mole with whatever Twitter, Bluesky, Reddit, advocacy orgs, etc. is unhappy about on any given day is preferable to the January status quo --Guerillero Parlez Moi 16:39, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Vanamonde

I like this change for coming around to the "discretionary" part of what we use to call discretionary sanctions: admins are not compelled to protect, but we can do so at the slightest sniff of disruption, which strikes the right balance in my view. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:49, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by {other-editor}


Gotitbro

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Request concerning Gotitbro

User who is submitting this request for enforcement
Ratnahastin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:57, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User against whom enforcement is requested
Gotitbro (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced
WP:ARBIPA
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
  1. 11 August - Removes statement from Pakistani defence minister Khawaja Asif while himself detailing the statements from Indian Chief of the Air Staff Amar Preet Singh, thereby engaging in pro India POV pushing.
  2. 18 August - Removes sourced content with a misleading edit summary.
  3. 11 August - Edit warring to restore above edit.
  4. 20 August - Overhauling the lead to show Chanakya explicitly as a historical figure, contrary to the fact that no historical evidence exists for Chanakya as per body of the article, thereby pushing pro Hindutva POV.
  5. 27 August - Removes longstanding sentence from lead claiming it is "Undue" when the subject in question is an unreliable outlet, notorious for spreading misinformation.
  6. 27 August - Engages in edit warring by restoring his revert and citing BRD when he is himself bringing a new edit to the article.
  7. 27 August - Continues edit war by falsely claiming "added about a month ago".
  8. 27 August - Derailing the thread and attacking another editor by bringing up how he "is t-banned from a closely related topic area".
  9. 28 August - Even after being told to focus on content, he is still talking about "editorial behaviour". See WP:IDHT.
  10. 28 August - This is the height of WP:BATTLE and WP:IDHT: "Yes, focus on content would have been done were you not restoring sock content willy nilly everywhere despite already being under sanctions. I would strongly suggest you take your time away from contentious topics."
  11. 28 August - Poisoning the well by falsely accusing another editor of using "slurs in an offhand manner" and breaching "Wikipedia:Civility".
  12. 29 August - WP:IDHT; Still repeating his above false accusations.
  13. 29 August - Unnecessarily targeting another editor on the AfD by pointing out their edit count.
  14. 29 August - Now falsely accusing this editor of "very COI".
  15. 29 August - Now that above personal remarks failed to bait the editor, Gotitbro starts misusing ANI to get rid of this user anyhow by repeating his false accusations of "COI" and "SPA".
  16. 30 August - Falsely accusing another editor of "hounding me around" despite this user edited ANI weeks ago after Gotitbro reported him there.[1]
  17. Has made 4 reverts in 3 days to remove same content.[2][3][4][5] A look at the talk page (see (Talk:Pajeet#Edit_to_history) shows he is being WP:1AM here.
  18. 1 September - Falsely labelling this source as "op-ed". He is not only showing his lack of understanding of WP:FRINGE but is also making chilling accusations that other editors "legitimize racist rhetoric (though this is also generally the case)".
Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
  • 3 Blocks for edit warring, 2 of which are relevant to this area.
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[6]
Additional comments by editor filing complaint
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
[7]


Discussion concerning Gotitbro

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Statement by Gotitbro

  Gotitbro's statement contains 643 words and exceeds the 500-word limit.

A baseless report with a clear misrepresentation of the diffs and discussions. Have been here for more than a decade without any major issues, an effort to get editors the filer disagrees with in content disputes off the project. I have had no interaction with them beyond some recent run ins, this follows from no intimation. This is a bit bizarre and the evidence is as thin as water.

  • 2025 India–Pakistan conflict: merely paraphrased a quote which I think served better; added some claims from an unopposed proposal by other editors at Talk, followed by single back and forth edits between the filer and me. Started a detailed discussion for this at the Talk page where I explained the edits in detail. It remains ongoing, made no further bother with the content.
  • Rama: A revert followed (by Koshuri Sultan) but the quotes I added later validate whatever was initially stated in the ES (had made the edits to counter historic mythmaking).
  • Chanakya: There were changes to the lede of the article some months ago and a discussion followed at the Talk page, read it and tried to figure a compromise between the changes and those opposing it. The filer reverted them but the edits were also partially accepted by the original editor (Joshua Jonathan) who made the lede changes. The edits explicitly removed mythmaking e.g. removing that the subject wrote a text he did not (go sqaurely against the baseless "pushing pro Hindutva POV", pretty offensive). Started a discussion after a revert by the filer and made no further bother.
  • Firstpost: a content dispute for the lede which has been challenged by multiple editors ever since it was introduced. Recent changes to the lede (by Koshuri) I believed went against the last concluded discussion and to have been restoring sock content. Promptly started a discussion which remains ongoing. The comments at the Talk page were for Koshuri, topic banned from the military topics (as the edits directly pertained to military content) and who had shortly restored sock content at different articles.
  • Pajeet (an extremely offensive slur): The article itself was largely created by a chronic sock network. Despite the socking the exact article was restored by Koshuri and Ratnahastin. Went to the talk to find for e.g., 'despite the fact that it mostly hindus and sikhs that are called as "pajeet"'. Finding this a bit insensitive (shouldn't really be using slurs when discussing them), cited civil. SPA: the entire discussion and explanations can be seen at ANI. Calling any of it sanctionable is something. 1AM is unfounded, a look at the article's history and fringe noticeboard will tell us that. And just to highlight the extensive misrepresentation, the last diff I fully quote: "The AfD proposal by me has lead to a barrage of socks attacking me with vile racial abuse. So, indeed I am a bit partial against edits which appear to legitimize racist rhetoric (though this is also generally the case)."

The previous disparate blocks have nothing to do with anything here.

The filer hasn't really engaged in any of the discussions that I did start. And I am not sure why they think AER is an alternative to dispute resolution. Could list a myriad problematic edits by them but that won't lead to a frivolous AER report. Gotitbro (talk) 23:14, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Another user with no interaction (beyond 2025 India–Pakistan conflict). Discussions/detailed P&G rationales for both the film and the riots are being misrepresentated here under bizarre claims of 'POV'. Needn't make any personal comments but for the PA aspersions of "pro-Hindutva POV": been here for more than a decade, people familiar know just the amount of time and effort I've spent to combatting such stuff but adherence to P&G in a CTOPS will not be abandoned despite any personal views. None of the content disputes present a case under ARBIPA. Gotitbro (talk) 14:28, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Azuredivay

@Firefangledfeathers: You should take another look at this report. You surely cannot say edit warring (see Ratnahastin's latest comment), false accusations of COI (see #14, #15), falsification of sources (see #2) mislabelling reliable sources as opinion pieces (see #18), falsely accusing editors of legitimizing racism (see #18), battleground mentality (see #10), Hindutva POV pushing (see #4, #5) and more violations do not warrant a sanction especially when the editor has 3 blocks for edit warring, 1 of them being in the last 6 months. Similarly, Gotitbro has made 4 reverts to remove reliably sourced content on Pajeet (see #17).

During last month on 1984 anti-Sikh riots, he was misrepresenting "stable" version and edit warring to remove sourced content which was critical of Hindutva party Bharatiya Janta Party and Hindutva organization Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh.[8][9] He also engaged in mass canvassing.[10] This is all when he had more than a month to address how his false claim of "misrepresentation of sources"[11] was any correct.

The concerns over pro-Hindutva POV pushing are correct. You can see he is alone at Talk:Kashmir Files where he is opposing the label "propaganda" for this Hindutva movie, without offering any rebuttal.[12]

Yes there is a long term pattern of this user when it comes to removing sourced content (which comes into conflict with pro-Hindutva POV), before edit warring to restore his edits and then personalizing the dispute. Closing the report without action would approve of his actions and disruption will only spread further. Azuredivay (talk) 09:57, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Gotitbro

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
  • @Ratnahastin:, you're over the diff limit. I wouldn't worry about editing your filing, but it would help to know which 4 or 5 diffs you think most demonstrate misconduct. Please answer briefly. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:46, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not seeing anything actionable in 1, 3, 5, 6, or 7. Probably going to close this soon. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:23, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Gotitbro, you can have an extension up to 750 words total, but you may want to save words for when an admin actually responds to the evidence.
    Ok, I won't close this soon. I'm having trouble with both the volume of evidence and the low quality I've seen so far. I asked for the 4 or 5 worst diffs from Ratnahastin. In the first 5 mentioned, I saw one revert from G at 2025 India–Pakistan conflict and the absolute mess of a content dispute at Firstpost. Ratnahastin calls G's edit there a "new edit", and Azuredivay calls it "Hindutva POV pushing". I have not seen evidence to prove that G's edit was either. Azuredivay says that G is 'opposing the "label" propaganda for this Hindutva movie, without offering any rebuttal', but G offers a substantial argument for their position at Talk:The Kashmir Files, which is not opposition to the label but concern about its placement and attribution. If this gets closed, or archived without action, no one should take that as an approval of G's actions, just that no admin felt compelled to act based on the quality of evidence provided. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:09, 21 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Theonewithreason

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Request concerning Theonewithreason

User who is submitting this request for enforcement
Pofka (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 19:17, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User against whom enforcement is requested
Theonewithreason (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced
Talk:Serbia men's national basketball team/Archive 1#Final disscussion: Results/medals history (a WP:CONS was reached in 2014, later user AirWolf, who participated in reaching a WP:CONS, reaffirmed this WP:CONS in 2018, but user Theonewithreason oppose it)
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
  1. 19:04, 8 September 2025 - reverted my attempt to implement a WP:CONS and a position of the FIBA's official website (see: HERE);
  2. 22:56, 8 September 2025 - continue to oppose my edit in talk page;
  3. 20:15, 10 September 2025 - continue to oppose a reached WP:CONS by also stating that "the discussion is over" and threaten to report me at WP:Ani;
  4. 20:36, 10 September 2025 - continue to oppose a reached WP:CONS;
  5. 22:11, 10 September 2025 - another user Sadko came to support him (with rollbacker rights in English Wikipedia and most of his edits in Serbian Wikipedia), so this is also concerning;
  6. 19:49, 11 September 2025 - user Theonewithreason: "You are going in circles without any argumentation" (even though I quoted other users WP:CONS statements, which contradict his POV).
If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)

User Theonewithreason wrote in one of his statements in article's talk page that "this is very sensitive topic (the Balkans) there are very strict rules biding every single editor on Wikipedia" (his edit), so I think he is well aware about the Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Balkans or Eastern Europe.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

The FIBA's official website do not attribute the results and won medals by the Serbia and Montenegro men's national basketball team (it represented Serbia and Montenegro / in 1992–2003 called Yugoslavia) exclusively to the Serbia men's national basketball team (see: HERE) and a WP:CONS was also reached in this article's talk page (see: HERE) that in Wikipedia we should comply with the position of the FIBA, so we should count Serbia's team results only since 2007 (for quicker reading of WP:CONS discussion see my quotes of its participants statements in this edit). The former state Serbia and Montenegro (1992–2006) is now represented by three separate national teams: Serbia team, Montenegro team, Kosovo team.

Another article Serbia at the Olympics only count Serbia's medals since the 2008 Summer Olympics, not earlier (same point of view as FIBA), so the same should be in article Serbia men's national basketball team. Now we have one article (Serbia men's national basketball team) claiming that Serbia won 1996 Olympic silver medal and another claiming that it did not (Serbia at the Olympics), so such contradictions cannot exist in different articles.

Moreover, a relevant example is the Russia men's national basketball team who is not attributed the results of the Soviet Union men's national basketball team even through the Russian Federation is a sucessor state of the Soviet Union.

I request assistance to implement WP:CONS in the article as I cannot do that when user Theonewithreason revert it. Furthermore, I think Template:Contentious topics/talk notice (topic=b - the Balkans or Eastern Europe) should be added to this article's talk page to ensure a reached WP:CONS and WP:LISTEN.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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Discussion concerning Theonewithreason

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Statement by Theonewithreason

  Theonewithreason's statement contains 741 words and exceeds the 500-word limit.

This is getting ridiculous, Pofka is obviously unable to reach their POV on the Serbia Basketball team talk page which has been wp:stable in this form for several years now, in fact one other editor also opposed their statement [[13]], they were openly canvassing pinging several editors for whom they think that they are going to side with them based on that conversation from 2014 [[14]], then they did that again today [[15]] and now they are trying to remove me from that page because they WP:IDONTLIKE. I mean this editor has over 20 000 edits on Wikipedia they should know better to use other tools to resolve the discussion, instead they reported me directly here. Sorry but WP:boomerang should be imposed here. Theonewithreason (talk) 19:39, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Extraordinary Writ when I wrote that discussion is over what I`ve meant is that those discussions were long time ago, and since then this article was in this form (not edited in that way by me) for the last 7 or 8 years, what I also noticed that editors who participated in that discussion occasionally would revert users who would go in other way around, posting all the medals from SFR Yugoslavia (the medals won before 1991 when the country was larger than today), as for the sources I was using them in discussion to show there are other opinions, however, in those previous discussions it was clear that even editors were not certain how to approach this subject i.e. one of the editors that Pofka pinged stated that: It looks like the FIBA ranking points for SFR Yugoslavia was carried over to FR Yugoslavia, which was then carried over to SCG, then finally to Serbia. However, it seems the FIBA archive has a team for each IOC code: so YUG, SCG & SRB are "3 different" teams; same with ROC & TPE, and URS & RUS (and CIS). It doesn't happen between FRG & GER, but GDR is a separate team. There's no clear-cut solution on how to deal with this. We can safely ignore the successor states problem. ROC and TPE records are at the Chinese Taipei national basketball team, same with FRG and GER at Germany national basketball team, while URS/CIS/RUS are separated, and SFR Yugoslavia and FR Yugoslavia-SCG-Serbia are separated. etc which Pofka was ignoring.
Also since you closed the ANI report we obviously need to deal with Pofka behaviour here which exceeds the discussion about this article and goes directly against the rules implemented in sensitive topics. First Pofka claims that Serbia "stole" those medals [[16]] and what is even more concerning is that Pofka is labelling other editors by their ethnicity or what they believe is their ethnicity and thus trying to discriminate their comments as non valid, [[17]], [[18]] - that kind of behaviour is actually problematic and concerning. Theonewithreason (talk) 06:13, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Joy all of my reverts on Nikola Tesla page were according to 20 years of discussions and implemented rules by admins and other editors, and since you are regularly invested in that article you should also know that, there is nothing trigger happy in this especially if I am reverting someone who is openly posting death threats on my user page [[19]], so if you trying to expand this report even further, first we need to address why this report by Pofka was directly posted here, which is inappropriate, and second why are you trying what I now understand to broadly disqualify me from Balkan related topics, which is not your first time, example writing this post to admin Ivanvector page [[20]] 2 years after my SPI block (for which I was properly punished in 2020) asking them to revaluate my status, in which ivanvector clearly explained that my case was borderline and that my concerns were reasonable [[21]] after which you admitted that you are often WP:involved in Balkan related topics [[22]] - in the last five years I was never blocked nor did I used other accounts, the comment you are referring to in May I did apologise for, and never used in this form again. Theonewithreason (talk) 06:41, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Joy thank you for only confirming what was obviously clear for the last few years, that you are probably to often WP:involved in Balkan related topics and that you should take more neutral stances regarding reports to others, [[23]] let us not forget that you were also blocked from Wikipedia for abusing admins powers, so maybe you too might not be well-suited for this contentious topic area. Theonewithreason (talk) 07:13, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Extraordinary Writ [[24]] this last edit from Pofka is now clear WP:ASPERSION against me and the other editors, also those accusations against me and assumptions about my location or to which nation I belong to is a direct attack against my privacy which has nothing to do with this article or my edits on Wikipedia. I am now asking indefinite block against Pofka. We are not going to have of discussions about my personal information online. Especially because Pofka is repeated offender with topic ban on other articles in 2024 [[25]], [[26]] and previously in 2022 [[27]]. Theonewithreason (talk) 15:38, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Sadko

   Sadko's statement contains 327 words and complies with the 500-word limit.

I have stated my opinion and I stand by it. FIBA had a clear stance on this question, and there is nothing concerning about that in my view. I did not edit this page much, nor is it of particular interest to me; therefore, bringing up concerns from 14 months ago is a bit unusual. The fact that this is the topic of such a report is concerning. I think it was premature, and that more could have been achieved with further rounds of discussions and debates, in good faith. Theonewithreason fights vandals on a daily basis, swiftly and smartly, and is a valuable editor. He kept the Nikola Tesla article safe from vandals for years, alongside other great editors. I can also see that Pofka has made many valuable contributions. I am sure and I hope that this will be resolved in a good way and in the best interest of the project. — Sadko (words are wind) 10:41, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Second statement by Pofka: Sorry to disappoint, but unfortunately, I have no communication with Theonewithreason, a credible and honest editor, via email or any other platform. You can freely ask for this to be checked; any day.
Of course, I am keeping this article on my watchlist, considering that just recently several editors and I worked on the article on SWP and there's a lot of references on EWP. My tweaks, led to it getting featured article status on my home project. Double check this, by all means. And I am quite active at that time of the day.
Additionally and more importantly, the undertones of this message are somewhat problematic. Checking out and talking about someone's location based on his Google search? Stating that there are many Serbs in Croatia? What? Just, what in the world is that all about?
My question is, why not start an RfC yourself, rather than going back and forth and making empty accusations? Focus on content and sources. — Sadko (words are wind) 16:45, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Second statement by Pofka

@Extraordinary Writ: @Joy: I agree that the 2014 WP:CONS seems to be quite weak, however I believe it is worth respecting because in it five experienced users: AirWolf, HTD, Dirtlawyer1, Jetstreamer, Zagalejo (check their user pages) expressed support that we should follow how the FIBA tractate this question and this 2014 WP:CONS comply with information provided in the FIBA's official website. I think that instead of immediately reverting my edit and soon declaring that "the discussion is over" (his edit) user Theonewithreason should have started a RfC procedure to reach a new WP:CONS. I think that WP:STABLE when there seems to be obviously wrong information presented in the article (per FIBA position) is not a valid argument. Nevertheless, I have doubts that Wikipedia's article should include contradictory information to the FIBA's official website, so do we really need a RfC about possibly denying FIBA's official website position? I think we need WP:AE clarification about it. I will of course not oppose a RfC if it is really necessary about this question. This question should be solidly solved to avoid disruption in the future.

Regarding user Sadko: I noticed that in user Theonewithreason's talk page there are positive messages from user Sadko (e.g. check these edits: first in 2020, second in 2025, maybe more are deleted), so it seems like they know each other well for a long time. Moreover, user Theonewithreason pinged in this edit many unrelated users (possibly all Serbians because some of their user names are: Soundwaweserb, Vikipedijasrbija0, other pinged users IPs locations and maybe interactions with user Theonewithreason should be checked to determine whenever in the talk page user Theonewithreason attempted to gather support of exclusively Serbian users, who previously never participated in this article's talk page discussion). As I already mentioned, most of user Sadko edits are in Serbian Wikipedia, so I presume he is Serbian as well (IP location check could be helpful, but with over 300,000 edits in the Serbian Wikipedia he certainly has an excellent command of Serbian language). Of course, I cannot confirm whenever user Theonewithreason communicate with user Sadko using external sources, however the fact that user Theonewithreason attempted to gather support of unrelated Serbian users raises suspicion how user Sadko in just ~2 hours came to "absolutely" support user Theonewithreason position (if administrators can check whenever user Sadko had Talk:Serbia men's national basketball team in his watch list before joining the talk page discussion, then it could be helpful to at least partly check the possibility of communications via external sources between users Sadko and Theonewithreason). User Theonewithreason in the talk page inserted links "www.google.hr" (in this edit), so I presume he is residing in Croatia where are many Serbs of Croatia. So if you ask me, there seems to be many Serbian connections. -- Pofka 14:19, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by TylerBurden

All I'm going to say here is that Theonewithreason naming Sadko as ″one other editor also opposed their statement″ as if that is meant to be indicative of Pofka being in the wrong is not particularly convincing, since while there doesn't seem to be any evidence of coordinated editing, they're both clearly of the same POV and constantly back each other up when it comes to disputes within the topic area. --TylerBurden (talk) 17:47, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Uniacademic

Hi @Extraordinary Writ, Joy, Isabelle Belato, and Firefangledfeathers: As an editor of the Kosovo and Serbia topic area, I have noticed that Theonewithreason consistently displays obstructive editing behavior in Balkan-related articles, with a tendency to perform blind reverts and push particular POVs, often without regard for sourcing or established consensus. This may be of relevance here, so I'll provide evidence from things I have noticed in the past year or so. Below are a series of diffs illustrating this pattern:

  • [28] – Reintroduced thousands of bytes of uncited text while simultaneously removing maintenance tags that requested citations. There is also POV-pushing by framing Kosovo as part of Serbia.
  • [29] – Added some sources that do not mention either Marin Barleti or Voisava (the former being a primary source on the latter, who is the subject of the article). The only medieval author who linked Voisava with the Triballi, Barleti, was a Venetian, not Byzantine. Instead, he should have added modern academic sources which say that Voisava was of Serbian origin or that Barleti used the term "Triballi" to refer to Serbs.
  • [30] – Says that the “Bulgarian theory” on Voisava's origin should be removed solely because it “does not agree with other sources,” disregarding the fact that it is a documented scholarly position. This is selective editing that dismisses reliable sources for POV reasons.
  • [31] – Claimed that Barleti’s testimony “doesnt matter,” despite Barleti being a primary source on the subject. This amounts to rejecting sources simply because they do not align with the editor’s preferred interpretation.
  • [32] – After an edit war on Llapusha, another editor started a discussion and requested that Theonewithreason provide a direct quote to substantiate their reverts and edits. Instead of doing so, Theonewithreason repeatedly evaded the request, failed to provide a single quotation, and continued to argue without evidence. This indicates that they did not actually have access to the source and were reverting purely to obstruct.

These diffs are obviously not isolated mistakes. They show a clear pattern of blind reverts without verification, adding irrelevant or misleading sources, removing reliably sourced material for POV reasons, and engaging in unproductive arguments while failing to provide evidence. This behavior disrupts Balkan-related content, violates WP:V, WP:NPOV and WP:RS, and wastes community time. I am therefore not surprised at all that he is showing such behavior in the topic discussed above. I see a clear pattern here. Thank you. Uniacademic (talk) 21:52, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Theonewithreason

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  • Theonewithreason subsequently started an ANI thread against Pofka, WP:ANI#User:Pofka trying to impose their POV by using WP:battlefield, which I've now closed so we can sort things out here. In no particular order:
    • An RfC is going to be the best way to handle this. It's been over a decade since the (apparently never-implemented) 2014 discussion, so I don't think it's unreasonable to want to revisit the issue, and I'm certainly not going to sanction for "oppos[ing] a reached WP:CONS".
    • Both of you need to be careful about selective pinging; see WP:VOTESTACK. It's fine to notify everyone who participated in a previous discussion or everyone who's contributed to the article recently, but choosing particular people to ping is often going to be a problem.
    • Pofka, I don't understand why you think it's concerning that Sadko participated in the discussion. If you're trying to imply canvassing, you're going to need much better evidence, especially since he had edited the page before and could easily have watchlisted it.
    • Theonewithreason, I'm really troubled that you think [33][34][35] are reliable sources—they're obviously self-published and shouldn't be cited at all, much less to say that The sources are clear, the discussion is over. Frankly I'm not sure you should be editing in this area at all if you don't have a good grasp of what a reliable source looks like. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:10, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Extraordinary Writ in context of AE, Sadko is actually generally concerning because they had been banned from this topic area once before. They got unbanned in the meantime, which I remember because I've had to complain about that at Guerillero's talk page last year. Thankfully this didn't escalate since. I don't know if Pofka just has some random bias against Serbian editors, but this particular one is still a matter of legitimate concern. --Joy (talk) 06:34, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Joy: The new motion announced at WP:AC/N might interest you -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 14:51, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm uninvolved in this specific matter because this is the first I hear about it, but I've participated in other discussions like it, for example in the previous talk discussion there or at a football list. Suffice it to say that we have had a lot of issues in the past trying to figure out the most appropriate formatting for the description of these succession matters. Often times, these discussions are rather intricate and are just not very interesting to the general public and are not frequented by a lot of uninvolved editors, so it's genuinely hard to gauge actual consensus. For example, Pofka cites a discussion from '14, but then there's also this discussion from '18. It's hard to say that any of these discussions are really determinative.
On the other hand, I remember seeing Theonewithreason act in a bit of a trigger-happy manner reverting at Nikola Tesla and the talk pages there. I went to check further, and found this warning I gave them in May, for which they apologized in a subsequent edit summary. Now that I read that again, this does show a bit of an odd confusion: I didn´t accuse anybody [of being a Nazi by citing the NONAZI essay], since I dont know who posted this. - even if we don't know who posted something we disagree with, that should not prevent us from treating them with a modicum of respect. Maybe this all rises to the level of a violation of the WP:ARBMAC that needs to be acted upon further. --Joy (talk) 06:14, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Theonewithreason, thank you for reminding me of that 2022 discussion about your 2020 sockpuppeteering, I completely forgot about that. I didn't say I'm improperly involved, rather that I tend to set aside my admin privileges in favor of contributing to content and discussions. I understand you're necessarily defensive after being called out here, but in my mind this interaction just reinforces the idea that you might not be well-suited for this contentious topic area. --Joy (talk) 07:00, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Matrix

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Appealing user
Matrix (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – —Matrix ping mewhen u reply (t? - c) 22:05, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sanction being appealed
ECP protection of Italian brainrot
Administrator imposing the sanction
Daniel Case (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
Notification of that administrator
[36]

Statement by Matrix

Daniel Case protected Italian brainrot with indefinite ECP. ARBPIA remedy 7 says "the content in question may be marked in the wiki source with an invisible comment" instead. I feel this would be more appropriate, along with lowering the protection to PCP, since the only section affected by this case would be "Controversial audios". (Moved from ACE by me) —Matrix ping mewhen u reply (t? - c) 22:10, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Tamzin: what are your thoughts on maybe enforcing this with an edit filter targeting the "Controversial audios" section instead? —Matrix ping mewhen u reply (t? - c) 15:54, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Tamzin: thought this would be #3 of Wikipedia:Contentious_topics#On_community_review, since 1) Italian brainrot as a trend has largely died down, and 2) people may want to edit the rest of the article, and this places a large roadblock to that. But ultimately if you don't agree, feel free to close and archive. —Matrix ping mewhen u reply (t? - c) 16:13, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pppery: I think you have the wrong mentality - it's not about whether there's a problem, but how we can encourage new editors. We've already got two edit requests on the talk page of this article, which is a lot in the space of 2 weeks, and a lot of people have pointed this protection out here. Wikipedia is a collaborative encyclopedia, and protecting pages tangentially related to ARBPIA excessively for no reason is contrary to that. An edit filter doesn't have to cover every edge case, and I think we should still have semi/PCP on this page to prevent the usual IP vandalism. —Matrix ping mewhen u reply (t? - c) 18:21, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Daniel Case

I don't have any inclination on this one way or the other, save to say that given how contentious this contentious topic area has been and continues to be, any reduction in this protection level should be taken through this process and not unilaterally. Daniel Case (talk) 20:31, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Matrix

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Result of the appeal by Matrix

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  • So, for what it's worth, both Pbritti and Thegoofhere violated the ARBPIA 1RR in the edits in April that preceded this protection. A general reminder to all that that 1RR applies to all content related to the Arab–Israeli conflict, regardless of what page it's on. As to the protection Daniel made, would I have imposed it? I'm not sure. But under Wikipedia:Contentious topics § On community review, the action was not out of process, was a reasonable anti-disruption measure at the time, and the existence of continued disruption in the PIA topic area, including on related content, means that it's still "reasonably necessary" even if some other restriction could be used. I think the best approach here is to decline this appeal, but explicitly not endorse the action as an AE-consensus restriction either, meaning that come April 2026 the protection will be eligible for review under normal WP:UNPROTPOL rules instead of the heightened CTOP standard. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 20:49, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Matrix: In principle I have no problem with that idea, but again the issue is I don't see any procedural basis to overturn Daniel's action. Policy builds in a fairly strong presumption of deference to the discretion of the enforcing admin for the first year of a sanction's existence. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 16:10, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Daniel Case's statement implies that he is fine with this being reconsidered here from scratch rather than under the heightened standards of WP:CTOPAPPEALS that favor leaving in place whatever he initially imposed. ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 03:01, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I am. Daniel Case (talk) 03:13, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    In that case, the idea of doing this by edit filter has some appeal for me. I'd already been thinking about how one might go about that... WP:ECR authorizes us to do it but I don't think anyone's invoked that to date. What I'm thinking is something like:
    • Create templates called {{START EXTENDEDCONFIRMED-RESTRICTED SECTION}} and {{END EXTENDEDCONFIRMED-RESTRICTED SECTION}}; these would not return anything visible.
    • Have a standardized hidden comment that would go along with these, something like "Edits between this template and the {{END EXTENDEDCONFIRMED-RESTRICTED SECTION}} will be blocked by a filter if your account does not have extendedconfirmed access. Please see the notice above the editing window for more information."
    • Have a parameter for the CTOP editnotice to provide said explanation.
    • Create a filter that prevents non-admins from adding or removing these templates.
      • Have a extendedconfirmed-show part of the disallow message that says that if you're trying to BLAR the page or remove the ECR'd content in its entirety, just remove all the content between the tags but leave the tags themselves, and ask an admin to tidy up after you.
    • Create a filter that prevents non-EC users from changing the wikitext that the template wraps. (Off the top of my head, something like restricted := "\{\{\s*START EXTENDEDCONFIRMED-RESTRICTED SECTION\s*\}\}(.*?)\{\{\s*END EXTENDEDCONFIRMED-RESTRICTED SECTION\s*\}\}"; get_matches(restricted, old_wikitext) != get_matches(restricted, new_wikitext), after a removed_lines check for performance? Haven't tested this, but something like it should work.)
      • Have a disallow message that mirrors the explanation in the CTOP editnotice.
    The biggest catch with all this is that someone could still just add content above the START tag or below the END one, or do something like comment out the whole section. (Sure we could whac-a-mole these approaches but there'd always be something else.) But for pages where disruption is relatively low, I could see this being a good way to keep an honest editor honest, especially if paired with semi-protection or pending changes. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 10:00, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • There has been a grand total of one edit request on the talk page since the section was imposed. I think that shows there isn't enough of a problem here to warrant inventing new technology, and I would just decline this entire request. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:30, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • If there's no appetite for something more radical, I propose we close this with a downgrade to semi. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 09:08, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I support reducing to semi at this point. It can be increased again at a single admin's discretion in response to continued disruption. I think the edit filter idea would be better proposed to the community or ArbCom rather than decided here. ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 03:15, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alaexis

Exper-maelstrom

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Request concerning Exper-maelstrom

User who is submitting this request for enforcement
MCE89 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 02:16, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User against whom enforcement is requested
Exper-maelstrom (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced
WP:ARBIMH
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
  1. WP:PGAMING to reach WP:XC, e.g. this sequence of 20 edits and this sequence of 16 edits to individually add spaces between words, this series of edits to individually capitalise words in a phrase, and this series of 7 edits to delete the words "it was" letter by letter.
  2. Most of their edits made before reaching XC status were on the topic of Indian military history, in violation of the topic's extended-confirmed restriction. For instance their edits on the pages Shahaji, Tanaji Malusare, Peshwa, Balaji Kunjar and Hadapsar among others. These edits were all made after being informed of the IMH extended-confirmed restriction, and after they had responded to the notification confirming that they had seen it.
  3. Immediately after hitting 500 edits, they started editing the ECP page Vanjari caste. Their edits to the page so far have primarily been sourced to 19th-century Raj-era sources (e.g. [40] [41] [42] [43]).
Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

None

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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I was advised to report this at AE and this is my first time filing a report here, so I apologise if I've made any mistakes.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Exper-maelstrom

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Result concerning Exper-maelstrom

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